Yes! I don't understand why the trans advocates put "gender nonconforming" under the trans umbrella. It implies that if you defy gender expectations, you must be in a different category from others of your sex. This seems like the least progressive attitude a person could have.
Yes! I don't understand why the trans advocates put "gender nonconforming" under the trans umbrella. It implies that if you defy gender expectations, you must be in a different category from others of your sex. This seems like the least progressive attitude a person could have.
They put everyone they can under that umbrella, including LGB, which makes this L awfully angry, given the essential homophobia and misogyny that underlie gender ideology. They hope to leverage by association the good will and sympathy of unthinking progressives, who obviously are legion.
I second, third and fourth this, as a 74 year old L. Also, I see below the convo mentioning Kathleen Stock. Without wishing to take anything away from the hard work so many are doing stateside, I have to say it was an unexpected thrill to see a proud and out lesbian getting such traction. I loved the photo of her, in her jeans and sunglasses, surrounded by security (all shorter than she is), walking, nay striding, into the Oxford Union event. I kept thinking, too, isnтАЩt she a very cool role model for young women who may actually be same-sex attracted? WouldnтАЩt that be a nice change from what is going on now?
It would, indeed. Stock didn't ask for this role , but she has risen to the challenge and embodied it with great intelligence, courage and common sense. ("This is bonkers," is, I think my favorite Stockism.) I delight in her barely veiled impatience in debate (when it rises to that) with lessers, which is pretty much everyone else. She is unfailingly respectful, but one can tell it sometimes takes effort. :)
Yes, this is the American Psychological Association's totally infuriating definition of transgender:
"Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity, gender expression or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth. Gender identity refers to a personтАЩs internal sense of being male, female or something else; gender expression refers to the way a person communicates gender identity to others through behavior, clothing, hairstyles, voice or body characteristics."
Just madness. I can't think of a more dubious basis for policy and law (never mind medical and surgical intervention) than an individual's "internal sense of being male, female or something else." Widespread buy-in to this solipsistic, disembodied craziness -- even by organizations responsible for knowing better -- is the best evidence I've yet seen that humans will bring about their own ruin sooner rather than later. At least the animals can't be harmed by this version of human madness, though they remain in peril from too many others.
We lesbians are not at all an afterthought for the 80% of males who claim to be women, who are heterosexual and who claim to be lesbians. These males pressure young and otherwise emotionally/mentally vulnerable lesbians to "date" them. "Date" is of course a euphemism for have sex with them. These men emotionally coerce some women into having sex with them by saying to not do so means those women are "tranphobic", "hateful" and "bigoted". Women who succumb end up being devastated. There is already a published collection of personal statements and poems by such women entitled "You Told Me You Were Different", ISBN 978-1-954625-01-3
The old term for this was "corrective rape." It seems as if lesbians, no less than many other women, are afflicted with a pathological need to be "inclusive" to their own profound detriment. Note to women, gay and straight: Be less nice. Be willing to be disliked.
So true. In pants or dresses, it's still men asserting their desires over women's rights. Anyone else notice that the biological women (identifying as men) in this movement are harming no one but themselves? Like other women, they seem to become invisible when male interests are being argued.
Probably for the most part. But trans men (natal females) are the reason we have started hearing terms like "People with vaginas" and "People who menstruate," and "Men can have babies too!" I will add that it is quite possible, perhaps even likely, that it's not primarily actual trans men insisting that we omit the word "woman" from our speech and writing, but activist allies who just can't see/ don't care how insulting some of that language can be. I understand inclusivity, but if you're a trans man who felt so uncomfortable living as a woman that you want to live as a trans man, but then do the most literally female thing a person can do, and choose to give birth to a baby - I struggle very hard to understand this.
You may not understand that some of the male fetishists actually believe they are women. Some claim they have 'period' pain and real 'vaginas' and I know of a couple of male larpers who are taking hormone cocktails so they can moob ('breast') feed their infants. The delusion can be quite strong.
I have read about this- I believe a man in Australia...Important for everyone to realize that this has nothing to do with "inclusivity," but is raw narcissism, another power play... they use this "inclusivity" thing to appeal to people who they know it will work on.
Yes, b/c what is the profile of the discharge from the man's estrogen created 'breast' and the chemicals/hormones he is taking to create the discharge that the infant is being fed. I think these men are AGPs and this is a paraphilia.
Kara Dansky. Abigail Shrier. Not lesbians, but feminists who are well aware of what is happening to lesbians and include us in their writing. Membership in Women's Liberation Front (WoLF) -- fighting on every legal front against gender ideology and for females -- is 40 percent lesbian, so we have not been forgotten (though I'm all in favor of our own Kathleen Stock :)).
There are plenty of lesbians fighting the 'trans' lunacy but most less high-profile than Dansky and Shrier. And let's remember that lesbians were the 'canaries in the coal mine' re the 'trans' issue as Janice Raymond's book, The Transsexual Empire was published in 1979. And lesbians were calling out the male fetishists before that.
Elizabeth Hungerford and Cathy Brennan used to be, though they lost their shit in various ways after WOLF joined forces with conservative women to form Hands Across the Aisle. O.o
Cathy Brennan ended up yelling at all the feminists protesting against gender ideology at the SCOTUS case: "Homophobes!" Sigh.
Yes! I don't understand why the trans advocates put "gender nonconforming" under the trans umbrella. It implies that if you defy gender expectations, you must be in a different category from others of your sex. This seems like the least progressive attitude a person could have.
They put everyone they can under that umbrella, including LGB, which makes this L awfully angry, given the essential homophobia and misogyny that underlie gender ideology. They hope to leverage by association the good will and sympathy of unthinking progressives, who obviously are legion.
I second, third and fourth this, as a 74 year old L. Also, I see below the convo mentioning Kathleen Stock. Without wishing to take anything away from the hard work so many are doing stateside, I have to say it was an unexpected thrill to see a proud and out lesbian getting such traction. I loved the photo of her, in her jeans and sunglasses, surrounded by security (all shorter than she is), walking, nay striding, into the Oxford Union event. I kept thinking, too, isnтАЩt she a very cool role model for young women who may actually be same-sex attracted? WouldnтАЩt that be a nice change from what is going on now?
It would, indeed. Stock didn't ask for this role , but she has risen to the challenge and embodied it with great intelligence, courage and common sense. ("This is bonkers," is, I think my favorite Stockism.) I delight in her barely veiled impatience in debate (when it rises to that) with lessers, which is pretty much everyone else. She is unfailingly respectful, but one can tell it sometimes takes effort. :)
Susan, she would be an awesome and powerful role model for young women!!!!!! Wish we could make it so!
Working on it, in my own tiny, idiosyncratic way: https://prufrocksdilemma.wordpress.com/2023/05/31/taking-stock/
I love this, Susan! Thank you!!!
Yes, this is the American Psychological Association's totally infuriating definition of transgender:
"Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity, gender expression or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth. Gender identity refers to a personтАЩs internal sense of being male, female or something else; gender expression refers to the way a person communicates gender identity to others through behavior, clothing, hairstyles, voice or body characteristics."
Just madness. I can't think of a more dubious basis for policy and law (never mind medical and surgical intervention) than an individual's "internal sense of being male, female or something else." Widespread buy-in to this solipsistic, disembodied craziness -- even by organizations responsible for knowing better -- is the best evidence I've yet seen that humans will bring about their own ruin sooner rather than later. At least the animals can't be harmed by this version of human madness, though they remain in peril from too many others.
We lesbians are not at all an afterthought for the 80% of males who claim to be women, who are heterosexual and who claim to be lesbians. These males pressure young and otherwise emotionally/mentally vulnerable lesbians to "date" them. "Date" is of course a euphemism for have sex with them. These men emotionally coerce some women into having sex with them by saying to not do so means those women are "tranphobic", "hateful" and "bigoted". Women who succumb end up being devastated. There is already a published collection of personal statements and poems by such women entitled "You Told Me You Were Different", ISBN 978-1-954625-01-3
Available from the publisher: https://uglytruths.gumroad.com/l/youtoldme
The old term for this was "corrective rape." It seems as if lesbians, no less than many other women, are afflicted with a pathological need to be "inclusive" to their own profound detriment. Note to women, gay and straight: Be less nice. Be willing to be disliked.
So true. In pants or dresses, it's still men asserting their desires over women's rights. Anyone else notice that the biological women (identifying as men) in this movement are harming no one but themselves? Like other women, they seem to become invisible when male interests are being argued.
Probably for the most part. But trans men (natal females) are the reason we have started hearing terms like "People with vaginas" and "People who menstruate," and "Men can have babies too!" I will add that it is quite possible, perhaps even likely, that it's not primarily actual trans men insisting that we omit the word "woman" from our speech and writing, but activist allies who just can't see/ don't care how insulting some of that language can be. I understand inclusivity, but if you're a trans man who felt so uncomfortable living as a woman that you want to live as a trans man, but then do the most literally female thing a person can do, and choose to give birth to a baby - I struggle very hard to understand this.
You may not understand that some of the male fetishists actually believe they are women. Some claim they have 'period' pain and real 'vaginas' and I know of a couple of male larpers who are taking hormone cocktails so they can moob ('breast') feed their infants. The delusion can be quite strong.
I have read about this- I believe a man in Australia...Important for everyone to realize that this has nothing to do with "inclusivity," but is raw narcissism, another power play... they use this "inclusivity" thing to appeal to people who they know it will work on.
That is child abuse
Yes, b/c what is the profile of the discharge from the man's estrogen created 'breast' and the chemicals/hormones he is taking to create the discharge that the infant is being fed. I think these men are AGPs and this is a paraphilia.
Yes! Who is our American Kathleen Stock?
Kara Dansky. Abigail Shrier. Not lesbians, but feminists who are well aware of what is happening to lesbians and include us in their writing. Membership in Women's Liberation Front (WoLF) -- fighting on every legal front against gender ideology and for females -- is 40 percent lesbian, so we have not been forgotten (though I'm all in favor of our own Kathleen Stock :)).
There are plenty of lesbians fighting the 'trans' lunacy but most less high-profile than Dansky and Shrier. And let's remember that lesbians were the 'canaries in the coal mine' re the 'trans' issue as Janice Raymond's book, The Transsexual Empire was published in 1979. And lesbians were calling out the male fetishists before that.
Exactly! These women make a huge difference. I joined WoLF after learning about Kara Dansky. I encourage women to look into this group!
Elizabeth Hungerford and Cathy Brennan used to be, though they lost their shit in various ways after WOLF joined forces with conservative women to form Hands Across the Aisle. O.o
Cathy Brennan ended up yelling at all the feminists protesting against gender ideology at the SCOTUS case: "Homophobes!" Sigh.
Male fetishists co-opting every one they can, it is a parasitic movement.