Look, why are we nickle and diming over ages and individual procedures here? We have been pulled into a technical debate and are getting distracted from the ludicrous core premise. Changing sex is not possible. Wanting to change sex or believing it is possible is based on hurt and delusion. Normalizing this as a pathway for children is wrong. Can we not lose the thread?
After 3-4 months of trying to get my head around this issue, I am done entertaining this dark bid for disembodiment. As a progressive and trauma therapist, all I see is trauma breeding trauma and a bunch of tantrums and distraction tactics that take away from having the important, grounded conversations we need to have.
I may be reading this through my own biased lens due to our personal experiences, but I feel like the goal of SOC8 is still to justify medically transitioning any parent or teen who wants it and that all the things included in SOC 8 about social contagion, ASD, and mental health are to provide plausible deniability and cover against future lawsuits for themselves and those who claim they are following WPATH standards. I have been unable to find anything in SOC8 that explicitly states, “some children and teens should not receive any form of medical transition” or “gender dysphoria is the wrong diagnosis for so be children and teens” or “it’s possible that in some children and teens that gender dysphoria and a desire to transition is an unhealthy and ineffective coping mechanism that should be avoided.” Without specifically acknowledging these things may be true for some children and teens, all the other recommendations about mental health, ASD, and social contagion seem like they are just providing a box to mindlessly check off and say “yes we thought about this” without REALLY considering other perspectives and treatments.
Why is there even a question as to “what’s the safest and most effective way”? Such a silly question. It’s a no brainer! Wait until the human brain is done growing and changing. Approx 22-25 years of age. A proven fact of science. All this ridiculous surgery will still never change your biology. When they dig up your bones, scientists will still check off the gender box you were born into. These gender surgeries only create further trauma, medically and psychologically. Let every child grow up and make their own decisions as a mature adult. All this ridiculous controversy is wrong on every medical, ethical and psychological level. To dispute science makes no sense. If a child wants to be the opposite sex, then dress appropriately and go for it! I guarantee that more kids than not, will come full circle and adapt to the sex they were born in. You can change their bodies medically and chemically, but you’ll never change their minds. You’ll only desecrate healthy bodies and create medical catastrophic consequences down the road. But hey, I’m sure every professional will knock down my opinion with all their book smarts. I speak from the school of hard knocks and my heart. Leave these kids bodies alone. Nobody has the right to touch them until they are legally old enough and mature enough. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
For anyone regretting and thinking of suing for medical malpractice: Remember to consider including your parents as defendants. Once a child turns 18 they can sue their parents for “abuse or neglect”.
There are some kids of Hollywood actors who are so very young when they’re dressed as the opposite sex, that there will certainly be a tabloid lawsuit in future. For parents with substantial assets, the children may be able to recover a good amount.
They give conditions under which an adolescent (ie under 18) can have all these surgeries, including genital ones. Therefore they are recommending them for (some, vaguely defined as you note) kids under 18....
They also claim to use evidence but it's not clear how they did that.
Look, why are we nickle and diming over ages and individual procedures here? We have been pulled into a technical debate and are getting distracted from the ludicrous core premise. Changing sex is not possible. Wanting to change sex or believing it is possible is based on hurt and delusion. Normalizing this as a pathway for children is wrong. Can we not lose the thread?
After 3-4 months of trying to get my head around this issue, I am done entertaining this dark bid for disembodiment. As a progressive and trauma therapist, all I see is trauma breeding trauma and a bunch of tantrums and distraction tactics that take away from having the important, grounded conversations we need to have.
It's time to look this thing in the eyes.
I may be reading this through my own biased lens due to our personal experiences, but I feel like the goal of SOC8 is still to justify medically transitioning any parent or teen who wants it and that all the things included in SOC 8 about social contagion, ASD, and mental health are to provide plausible deniability and cover against future lawsuits for themselves and those who claim they are following WPATH standards. I have been unable to find anything in SOC8 that explicitly states, “some children and teens should not receive any form of medical transition” or “gender dysphoria is the wrong diagnosis for so be children and teens” or “it’s possible that in some children and teens that gender dysphoria and a desire to transition is an unhealthy and ineffective coping mechanism that should be avoided.” Without specifically acknowledging these things may be true for some children and teens, all the other recommendations about mental health, ASD, and social contagion seem like they are just providing a box to mindlessly check off and say “yes we thought about this” without REALLY considering other perspectives and treatments.
I’m with GME! 100%
Why is there even a question as to “what’s the safest and most effective way”? Such a silly question. It’s a no brainer! Wait until the human brain is done growing and changing. Approx 22-25 years of age. A proven fact of science. All this ridiculous surgery will still never change your biology. When they dig up your bones, scientists will still check off the gender box you were born into. These gender surgeries only create further trauma, medically and psychologically. Let every child grow up and make their own decisions as a mature adult. All this ridiculous controversy is wrong on every medical, ethical and psychological level. To dispute science makes no sense. If a child wants to be the opposite sex, then dress appropriately and go for it! I guarantee that more kids than not, will come full circle and adapt to the sex they were born in. You can change their bodies medically and chemically, but you’ll never change their minds. You’ll only desecrate healthy bodies and create medical catastrophic consequences down the road. But hey, I’m sure every professional will knock down my opinion with all their book smarts. I speak from the school of hard knocks and my heart. Leave these kids bodies alone. Nobody has the right to touch them until they are legally old enough and mature enough. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
For anyone regretting and thinking of suing for medical malpractice: Remember to consider including your parents as defendants. Once a child turns 18 they can sue their parents for “abuse or neglect”.
There are some kids of Hollywood actors who are so very young when they’re dressed as the opposite sex, that there will certainly be a tabloid lawsuit in future. For parents with substantial assets, the children may be able to recover a good amount.
Thank you for a great analysis!!!
They give conditions under which an adolescent (ie under 18) can have all these surgeries, including genital ones. Therefore they are recommending them for (some, vaguely defined as you note) kids under 18....
They also claim to use evidence but it's not clear how they did that.