Looking at some 'greatest hits' from No Kings last weekend and it's clear if we want separation of gendertheory & state, Democrats need to lose the midterms. The 2024 national lesson went unlearned and there's no chance they find common sense en masse by next year. Witnessing various Dems attempt to defend their ridiculous positions on the campaign trail may be more effective than attempting rational talk. Call it cringe-therapy.
Rational talk has completely failed. Today, EVERY Democrat in Congress is a co-sponsor of the 2025 Equality Act, which would make gender self-ID instantaneous and unquestionable nationwide.
I don't see this changing before the end of the second Vance term in 2036.
And as well, list the propagandistic tropes of Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and AOC when it comes to the fake category of "trans kids." These "heroes" must be debunked. The pro-trans vibe in many upstate towns like mine is utter delusion. A new phenomenon I can't get over in my town is a "Drag/BDSM" bar in a residential neighborhood near my home. They have "Leather Night" and "Drag Night" and pretend to be a normal, non-illegal drug location on the other nights of the week. I find their posters so lurid that I take them as souvenirs. The most disgusting aspect is their demand to be a no-go zone for police, so the illegal drug trade is harder to monitor. It's all of a piece. Teens are taking wrong sex hormones as party drugs, and in the "dress up" days at this bar, plenty of under age-ers get in. See this movement for what it is, I suggest.
It has. And it's humiliating wasting energy explaining the birds & bees over again often to professional dupes who've made it their job not to understand. And fair to cast doubt on their other positions.
Vance is totally set to mop up whatever scrub the Dems cough up in a couple years. Credit to him that he's at least mentioned autogynephilia before.
Seeing all the excuses coming out of the very progressive left, they’d likely just blame it on Trump’s redistricting. And somehow the only solution will be to move FURTHER left
What would be the objective of those two or so hours? Would a certain level of knowledge on the subject be presumed, or would it be mainly Information? Community-building for those wandering alone in the wilderness? Or political strategy session for the fully initiated? I think narrowing down aims will help focus the mind and clear the path to planning it.
I would expect a conference or workshop to last at least a day, especially if you want participation from across the country. (Remote participation could be offered, but it's no substitute for being in the room where it happens!) It could cover all of these aims, given that everyone has a different level of knowledge and involvement.
I'm with you and Evie. It's time, and someone had to get the ball rolling. Thank you for being the one to stick your head up over the parapet. We've got your back.
I very much appreciate the way you are seizing the initiative here. It is inspirational, to say the least. I am meeting with one sex-realist friend in a few days, and I’m sure we’ll want to brainstorm a bit on this.
In the meantime, I did think Sheela Clary’s questions were good ones and would welcome any thoughts you, Evie, and any others who attended the Hudson meet-up might have along those lines. A very preliminary thought I have is that a strong focus should be action-oriented, developing strategy and tactics for changing liberal/Democratic hearts and minds on the ground that is geared toward putting pressure on our benighted Democratic electeds and better supporting Democratic and Independent electeds and candidates for office (like Jonah Wheeler) who have seen the light.
I have developed one small piece of a framework for that kind of work, based on a framework developed by Congressional staffers post-2016. I have more I could contribute along those lines, if it seems useful. It occurs to me that, if it’s at all possible to chat with the women at Sex Matters, that could be very helpful in designing such a conference too. A person who I think would also have good, concrete ideas on this is Justin Delacour, who is on Substack.
I will DM you with some thoughts, though this may wait until after I’ve met up with my friend, as she is very, very smart and can likely put paid to my worst ideas. Also, if there is any chance for a small group meet-up in NYC to brainstorm further, I am totally game for that.
The bottom line for me is that the Democrats/aligned independents absolutely HAVE to win in 2026, and in every single state and local election possible before then—but at the moment it is really, really hard to work up enthusiasm for this if it is going to be accompanied by a revival of junk like the Equality Act as it is currently drafted.
Focus on safeguarding kids. Focus on law and policy that are based on material reality. Stress that it took you time to come to this perspective. Ask if they know what "gender affirmation" really entails. Ask if they know about detransitioners. Ask if they really believe some children are in the wrong body. Ask where these kids were 20 years ago. Most people on the left have not even begun to deconstruct the logical incoherence of this movement.
Part of that is showing them how it is not “just like” the gay rights movement. Homosexual relationships = based on an assertion of objective innate biological reality: same sex attraction. It occurs between two consenting people. It is illiberal to punish or block the relationship.
Transgender = based on a rejection of objective innate biological reality. The demand for “rights” forces the consent and active participation of everyone around that person, whether they are believers or not. This is illiberal.
Language framing helps. Good liberals who are proponents of same-sex marriage should point out that progressives (increasingly the same as Democrat) are against same-sex spaces with regards to 'trans'.
Saying 'transexual children' instead of 'trans kids' (in air quotes of course) elucidates how wrong the concept is to the average half-attention payer (even typing it makes me feel icky).
The prefix 'trans' should be clarified at each stage. Trans what? Fatty-acids? World-Airlines? Make the believer unpack their beliefs.
Great... how do you convince a true believer it is not an innate characteristic? Because that is what is being pushed.. look at the rhetoric. If it was as simple as getting people to believe in innate biological reality we would not be where we are.
Kelly, I agree it's difficult. Often impossible. I have seen this with my circle of friends and acquaintances. Even when presented with rock-solid evidence, they just dig in their heels. I've lost friendships over this. Other people just roll their eyes and say it's no big deal. Even people who are highly educated, sophisticated, experienced, well-read, well-traveled, supposedly compassionate, etc. won't budge.
I have succeeded in persuading a few, but only a few. And it doesn't break down along sex lines either -- I've met with equal resistance from men and women, gay and straight.
I've come to the conclusion that some people need to touch the proverbial hot stove and get burned before they learn. So be it. No sympathy. And I have little hope that the Democratic Party will wake up in time for the 2026 election.
I, for one, will be writing in the names of Kara Dansky, Mariah Burton Nelson, Abigail Shrier, Lisa Selin Davis, Kat Highsmith, Mia Hughes, Stella O'Malley, Karen Davis, etc. -- all strong women who have been fighting this battle for years. I refuse to vote for the Dem candidates I've voted for in the past (and yes, I've told them all, but they don't give a shit).
Completely agree. I owe the Dems nothing. First Presidential election I voted in was Dukakis in '88. Until 2024, I voted blue in every single election, mid-terms, local elections, everything. I did GOTV work for Clinton and for Obama. They held Roe over our heads for years to keep women voting Democrat, look where that got us. I won't vote for them ever again, this is too big a betrayal. They won't learn until they have 100 years of losses.
It may not take 100 years. I think that by the end of the second Vance term in 2036, we'll start to see enough softening on this issue to allow a gender-crtical Democrat to win a primary for a seat in Congress.
Even if they dig their heels in about concrete reality vs metaphysical belief, you need to show them that it’s illiberal to force others into a belief system and to compel their speech about the belief system just like a Soviet State. They need to see that their ideas about sex & gender are unworkable in every day life in society.
I suggest trying to get at least one (and if possible more) Democrat state legislators who have actually voted for gender critical policies in their states to attend. There are no more than a couple dozen of these (out of more than 3000 total). The discussion would be about how to survive in office as a gender-critical Democrat. The office holders could use the moral support, and we could use the understanding of how they navigate what is a very difficult political situation.
This is a great idea, but Isn't it something that should be done by, or in conjunction with, DIAG? This would show that we aren't just a disorganized group of disaffected individuals. Or is there some interpersonal/inter-group conflict that I am unaware of?
You might want to provide help for parents who have teens/young adults or even middle childhood offspring who suddenly spout this ideation. Simon Amaya Price, with whom I've started collaborating on how to extract youth from this cult, likes my idea of removing all extra mirrors from the household and having all phones and internet connected devices charged in common rooms instead of bedrooms to foster adequate sleep routines. Here are the 5 key questions on how to come back to realistic life expectations:
Supposition: the people most likely to have indulged their children in this ideology are also in the subset of Democratic leadership. That means we're dealing with advocates and their seconds. Are they open to persuasion? Is there a workaround?
Not a Trump voter, and I don’t have TDS either. I’m just a normal politically homeless left of center voter left out in the cold because of the Overton window shift. Thanks for painting all liberals with a broad brush, that’s so insightful of you. Really makes me respect your opinion.
I don’t give a flying fuck if I hurt your delicate little feelings. You lefty commie morons have been pissing me off my entire life, and I’ve swallowed it for too long. No more. I’m done staying silent, and your pathetic whining doesn’t mean shit to me anymore.
Hi there, SF. You know there are plenty of conservatives who are also railing against Trump because they despise authoritarianism, right? Gary Kasparov is a great example. Try following him on X. He’s politically conservative, grew up in the USSR, has reasons for his views that you might be willing to consider.
Your so-called “king” Trump’s got plenty of flaws, and I’m not blind to them. I’ve already slogged through the pompous garbage from Kasparov and that sniveling traitor Joe Walsh, so keep your sanctimonious lectures to yourself. I’m done with the pathetic political circus in this country, and like most centrists and right-leaning Americans, I’m no Trump-worshipping drone. But you far-left commie maggots? You’re a million times worse—mindless, woke sheep slurping up your own toxic kool-aid. I’ve been trapped in San Francisco’s liberal hellhole for over 30 years, keeping my trap shut on politics until COVID-19 exposed your true authoritarian colors. Those disgusting creeps like Andy Slavitt and Biden’s censorship stormtroopers silenced Americans while fanning the flames of violence, smearing anyone who dares think for themselves as “Nazis” or “Hitler.” The real threat to this nation is the Marxist revolution your false god Obama unleashed in 2008, which Biden pumped full of steroids in 2020. Pull your head out of your ass and see that your side is driving this great country into a death spiral. If Trump’s counter-revolution doesn’t smash your deranged ideology to bits in the next four years, the Western world as we know it will be dead and buried.
Your party justifies political violence, then cries victim. Charlie Kirk got shot at, Trump’s been targeted twice, and your side’s poll numbers scream that lefty scum increasingly back this chaos. Yet we’re the hateful ones? That’s rich as hell.
Looking at some 'greatest hits' from No Kings last weekend and it's clear if we want separation of gendertheory & state, Democrats need to lose the midterms. The 2024 national lesson went unlearned and there's no chance they find common sense en masse by next year. Witnessing various Dems attempt to defend their ridiculous positions on the campaign trail may be more effective than attempting rational talk. Call it cringe-therapy.
Rational talk has completely failed. Today, EVERY Democrat in Congress is a co-sponsor of the 2025 Equality Act, which would make gender self-ID instantaneous and unquestionable nationwide.
I don't see this changing before the end of the second Vance term in 2036.
Good point. We need to focus on that legislation. And rename it.
And as well, list the propagandistic tropes of Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and AOC when it comes to the fake category of "trans kids." These "heroes" must be debunked. The pro-trans vibe in many upstate towns like mine is utter delusion. A new phenomenon I can't get over in my town is a "Drag/BDSM" bar in a residential neighborhood near my home. They have "Leather Night" and "Drag Night" and pretend to be a normal, non-illegal drug location on the other nights of the week. I find their posters so lurid that I take them as souvenirs. The most disgusting aspect is their demand to be a no-go zone for police, so the illegal drug trade is harder to monitor. It's all of a piece. Teens are taking wrong sex hormones as party drugs, and in the "dress up" days at this bar, plenty of under age-ers get in. See this movement for what it is, I suggest.
It has. And it's humiliating wasting energy explaining the birds & bees over again often to professional dupes who've made it their job not to understand. And fair to cast doubt on their other positions.
Vance is totally set to mop up whatever scrub the Dems cough up in a couple years. Credit to him that he's at least mentioned autogynephilia before.
Seeing all the excuses coming out of the very progressive left, they’d likely just blame it on Trump’s redistricting. And somehow the only solution will be to move FURTHER left
Sad and true.
What would be the objective of those two or so hours? Would a certain level of knowledge on the subject be presumed, or would it be mainly Information? Community-building for those wandering alone in the wilderness? Or political strategy session for the fully initiated? I think narrowing down aims will help focus the mind and clear the path to planning it.
yes to this.
I would expect a conference or workshop to last at least a day, especially if you want participation from across the country. (Remote participation could be offered, but it's no substitute for being in the room where it happens!) It could cover all of these aims, given that everyone has a different level of knowledge and involvement.
Great idea. Happy to help if you'd like.
I'm with you and Evie. It's time, and someone had to get the ball rolling. Thank you for being the one to stick your head up over the parapet. We've got your back.
💯💯💯
I very much appreciate the way you are seizing the initiative here. It is inspirational, to say the least. I am meeting with one sex-realist friend in a few days, and I’m sure we’ll want to brainstorm a bit on this.
In the meantime, I did think Sheela Clary’s questions were good ones and would welcome any thoughts you, Evie, and any others who attended the Hudson meet-up might have along those lines. A very preliminary thought I have is that a strong focus should be action-oriented, developing strategy and tactics for changing liberal/Democratic hearts and minds on the ground that is geared toward putting pressure on our benighted Democratic electeds and better supporting Democratic and Independent electeds and candidates for office (like Jonah Wheeler) who have seen the light.
I have developed one small piece of a framework for that kind of work, based on a framework developed by Congressional staffers post-2016. I have more I could contribute along those lines, if it seems useful. It occurs to me that, if it’s at all possible to chat with the women at Sex Matters, that could be very helpful in designing such a conference too. A person who I think would also have good, concrete ideas on this is Justin Delacour, who is on Substack.
I will DM you with some thoughts, though this may wait until after I’ve met up with my friend, as she is very, very smart and can likely put paid to my worst ideas. Also, if there is any chance for a small group meet-up in NYC to brainstorm further, I am totally game for that.
The bottom line for me is that the Democrats/aligned independents absolutely HAVE to win in 2026, and in every single state and local election possible before then—but at the moment it is really, really hard to work up enthusiasm for this if it is going to be accompanied by a revival of junk like the Equality Act as it is currently drafted.
I'm in! I have already been making my beliefs known willy-nilly on Facebook. I have been surprised at the lack of pushback.
More people than you expect share your views. They’ve just been bullied into submission by the intolerant illiberal gender ideologues. Stay brave.
How do we pivot them away from seeing this as the next civil rights issue to seeing it for what it truly is....I have no idea
Focus on safeguarding kids. Focus on law and policy that are based on material reality. Stress that it took you time to come to this perspective. Ask if they know what "gender affirmation" really entails. Ask if they know about detransitioners. Ask if they really believe some children are in the wrong body. Ask where these kids were 20 years ago. Most people on the left have not even begun to deconstruct the logical incoherence of this movement.
Part of that is showing them how it is not “just like” the gay rights movement. Homosexual relationships = based on an assertion of objective innate biological reality: same sex attraction. It occurs between two consenting people. It is illiberal to punish or block the relationship.
Transgender = based on a rejection of objective innate biological reality. The demand for “rights” forces the consent and active participation of everyone around that person, whether they are believers or not. This is illiberal.
Language framing helps. Good liberals who are proponents of same-sex marriage should point out that progressives (increasingly the same as Democrat) are against same-sex spaces with regards to 'trans'.
Saying 'transexual children' instead of 'trans kids' (in air quotes of course) elucidates how wrong the concept is to the average half-attention payer (even typing it makes me feel icky).
The prefix 'trans' should be clarified at each stage. Trans what? Fatty-acids? World-Airlines? Make the believer unpack their beliefs.
There are no "trans kids"! There are no "transexual children"!
What does exist is children with gender dysphoria, a condition of misperception of one's body, just like anorexia.
Great... how do you convince a true believer it is not an innate characteristic? Because that is what is being pushed.. look at the rhetoric. If it was as simple as getting people to believe in innate biological reality we would not be where we are.
Kelly, I agree it's difficult. Often impossible. I have seen this with my circle of friends and acquaintances. Even when presented with rock-solid evidence, they just dig in their heels. I've lost friendships over this. Other people just roll their eyes and say it's no big deal. Even people who are highly educated, sophisticated, experienced, well-read, well-traveled, supposedly compassionate, etc. won't budge.
I have succeeded in persuading a few, but only a few. And it doesn't break down along sex lines either -- I've met with equal resistance from men and women, gay and straight.
I've come to the conclusion that some people need to touch the proverbial hot stove and get burned before they learn. So be it. No sympathy. And I have little hope that the Democratic Party will wake up in time for the 2026 election.
I, for one, will be writing in the names of Kara Dansky, Mariah Burton Nelson, Abigail Shrier, Lisa Selin Davis, Kat Highsmith, Mia Hughes, Stella O'Malley, Karen Davis, etc. -- all strong women who have been fighting this battle for years. I refuse to vote for the Dem candidates I've voted for in the past (and yes, I've told them all, but they don't give a shit).
Completely agree. I owe the Dems nothing. First Presidential election I voted in was Dukakis in '88. Until 2024, I voted blue in every single election, mid-terms, local elections, everything. I did GOTV work for Clinton and for Obama. They held Roe over our heads for years to keep women voting Democrat, look where that got us. I won't vote for them ever again, this is too big a betrayal. They won't learn until they have 100 years of losses.
It may not take 100 years. I think that by the end of the second Vance term in 2036, we'll start to see enough softening on this issue to allow a gender-crtical Democrat to win a primary for a seat in Congress.
Even if they dig their heels in about concrete reality vs metaphysical belief, you need to show them that it’s illiberal to force others into a belief system and to compel their speech about the belief system just like a Soviet State. They need to see that their ideas about sex & gender are unworkable in every day life in society.
I suggest trying to get at least one (and if possible more) Democrat state legislators who have actually voted for gender critical policies in their states to attend. There are no more than a couple dozen of these (out of more than 3000 total). The discussion would be about how to survive in office as a gender-critical Democrat. The office holders could use the moral support, and we could use the understanding of how they navigate what is a very difficult political situation.
You go, girl!
Have you worked with DIAG? I gave a talk for them on a Twitter Space after our AACAP letter to the editor came out, they were good.
This is a great idea, but Isn't it something that should be done by, or in conjunction with, DIAG? This would show that we aren't just a disorganized group of disaffected individuals. Or is there some interpersonal/inter-group conflict that I am unaware of?
You might want to provide help for parents who have teens/young adults or even middle childhood offspring who suddenly spout this ideation. Simon Amaya Price, with whom I've started collaborating on how to extract youth from this cult, likes my idea of removing all extra mirrors from the household and having all phones and internet connected devices charged in common rooms instead of bedrooms to foster adequate sleep routines. Here are the 5 key questions on how to come back to realistic life expectations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZUbe2gkWM8&t=654s
Supposition: the people most likely to have indulged their children in this ideology are also in the subset of Democratic leadership. That means we're dealing with advocates and their seconds. Are they open to persuasion? Is there a workaround?
It was troubling that Clinton did not go all the way with that white house page but only received head !
Someone who is a space-owner in the Tri State area or New England…
Let’s go people! Who’s out there?
Why the hell don’t you dipshits hold a meeting to sort out the Trump Derangement Syndrome you’re all clearly infected with?
Most of you delusional liberal leftists need to be locked up in an asylum to deal with the mental mess you call a worldview.
Not a Trump voter, and I don’t have TDS either. I’m just a normal politically homeless left of center voter left out in the cold because of the Overton window shift. Thanks for painting all liberals with a broad brush, that’s so insightful of you. Really makes me respect your opinion.
🎯🎯🎯
I don’t give a flying fuck if I hurt your delicate little feelings. You lefty commie morons have been pissing me off my entire life, and I’ve swallowed it for too long. No more. I’m done staying silent, and your pathetic whining doesn’t mean shit to me anymore.
Thank you for coming here to tell us! We all feel so much more enlightened!!
You and your lefty fucking clowns are too stupid to be enlightened
I know! Thank you!
Hi there, SF. You know there are plenty of conservatives who are also railing against Trump because they despise authoritarianism, right? Gary Kasparov is a great example. Try following him on X. He’s politically conservative, grew up in the USSR, has reasons for his views that you might be willing to consider.
Take care.
Your so-called “king” Trump’s got plenty of flaws, and I’m not blind to them. I’ve already slogged through the pompous garbage from Kasparov and that sniveling traitor Joe Walsh, so keep your sanctimonious lectures to yourself. I’m done with the pathetic political circus in this country, and like most centrists and right-leaning Americans, I’m no Trump-worshipping drone. But you far-left commie maggots? You’re a million times worse—mindless, woke sheep slurping up your own toxic kool-aid. I’ve been trapped in San Francisco’s liberal hellhole for over 30 years, keeping my trap shut on politics until COVID-19 exposed your true authoritarian colors. Those disgusting creeps like Andy Slavitt and Biden’s censorship stormtroopers silenced Americans while fanning the flames of violence, smearing anyone who dares think for themselves as “Nazis” or “Hitler.” The real threat to this nation is the Marxist revolution your false god Obama unleashed in 2008, which Biden pumped full of steroids in 2020. Pull your head out of your ass and see that your side is driving this great country into a death spiral. If Trump’s counter-revolution doesn’t smash your deranged ideology to bits in the next four years, the Western world as we know it will be dead and buried.
Projection much?
What I am projecting?
You project being a hate filled troll in search of attention. I think you got what you came here for. Now go away. You are not helping.
Your party justifies political violence, then cries victim. Charlie Kirk got shot at, Trump’s been targeted twice, and your side’s poll numbers scream that lefty scum increasingly back this chaos. Yet we’re the hateful ones? That’s rich as hell.
Go fuck yourself.