I had to distinguish for readers the LGBT Danish Rainbow Council from the group LGBT+ Danmark. By mainstream I mean that the rainbow council defends mainstream values such as the reality of biological sex & child safeguarding taking into account developmental psychology, while LGBT+ Danmark appears to uphold the Queer Theory medicalisation of gender clinics & their insistence that autonomy enables consent by children, which is a worldview that would have little support in the mainstream internationally, were it more widely understood. Yet in Denmark as elsewhere in rich countries this extreme worldview can also be said to be mainstream in the sense that it has captured key institutions & is able to enforce its program and suppress dissent. The question is how long before the people, the true mainstream, realise what has been achieved & what is being done by institutions captured by fringe ideologies. And as you well know, the answer depends very much on mainstream media correcting its own indoctrination & telling people plainly what is happening.
I’d visit more often, Lisa, but the good humour of my wife & kids is strained by my time invested in gender. They keep prescribing me “do more other stuff” pills. I’m a guilty but often non-compliant patient.
"Why Did “On The Media” Stoke The Moral Panic Against Innocent New York Times Journalists Rather Than Investigate It? Journalism and media criticism both require skepticism"
Wesley Yang hosts a long discussion with Leor Sapir......
"Leor Sapir is a scholar at the Manhattan Institute who has become a leading figure in the ongoing effort to bring accountability to a medical field that has run off the rails.
In this episode of the Year Zero podcast, which was recorded in July, we discuss the fast evolving state of the legislative bans on child sex trait modification procedures and the wider project to bring an ongoing medical scandal to heel. "
A routine pregnancy check prior to *hysterectomy* was not performed ... due to the patient's identity as a man and how "he" answered some questions on a questionnaire?
Totally bizarre. There was no actual confusion on this person's sex, it sounds like the hospital just trusted that there was no pregnancy in play (rather than doing the right thing and checking anyway). So bizarre.
This is another top notch round-up--and I join in thanking IQ, as well. You raise thought-provoking questions, too. The foster care case makes me wonder how decisions in these cases have been made generally. I remember the days when gay and lesbian couples could not be approved to be foster or adoptive parents, so, even though I am not personally on board with some of the views the couple here has expressed, the social worker’s report is very troubling to me with regard to how foster care decisions are made and by whom. I doubt litigation will give a sensible result (witness all the cases you note today, along with the superb work Unyielding Bicyclist is doing on the Brandt case), but neither will regulating bodies that lead from other than sensible judgments about capability to perform as foster parents. I will be interested in the thoughts of anyone here who has experience with how the foster system works/should work.
On another note, re the lesbian speed dating story (thanks for including that), just the other day, I was reminded recently of a case way back when in NYC. We old lesbians were talking about where we met, and The Duchess, a grand old lesbian bar in NYC, came up prominently. One of our number reminded us why the Duchess closed down. Here’s the story: http://lostwomynsspace.blogspot.com/2013/02/duchess.html. So, not a new problem--and may also help explain the disappearance of these bars.
Thanks for another excellent round-up--loved your header photo, too!
Thank you, as always, Kate! These are so informative. I will follow all the links and read in detail, but for now I'm stuck on the tragedies of the caught-too-late pregnancies of young women who call themselves/believe themselves to be "men". And on the quote from young Dr Daphna Stroumsa that the patient was "rightly classified as a man". That seems like such a profound system malfunction in the name of ideology - and a real failing of medical schooling today. And another conversation for parents of trans-identifying young adults to have together: as you're navigating the health care system, make sure all the clinicians know your sex.
Suzanne: so agree about the failings of medical schooling today. Just ran across this video, and was horrified all over again about what is being taught. The person speaking in this video is Johanna Olson-Kennedy, MD Medical Director, The Center for Transyouth Health and Development
Attending Physician
Investigator, Adolescent and Young Adult Medicine and Behavioral Health
Associate Professor of Clinical Pediatrics, Keck School of Medicine of USC
In this video, Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy compares adolescents engaging in the ‘cinnamon challenge’ to adolescents undergoing mastectomies. She then goes on to say that, “if you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them”.
And yet I am still, daily, encountering liberal friends who are absolutely ignorant of what is going on. I will not stop trying to get through, but it is often astonishingly hard.
Oh yes, she's notorious. I learned this week that she is married to transman Aydin Olson-Kennedy, who also works at Children's Hospital LA. Together, they have given workshops to our local Bay Area MFT professional organization on writing letters of support for medicalization. The number of committed professionals and their level of commitment is mind-boggling and deeply upsetting.
I welcomed Lisa's suggestion on a recent podcast (maybe her interview with the PITT moms?) to send each of these clinicians a copy of the PITT book - maybe also the Sasha/Stella book too? I will be delivering both to UCSF for what it's worth.
Yes, the cinnamon challenge and comparing a double mastectomy to the "bad decisions that adolescents make every day". "Dr." JOK has no credibility whatsoever. It's as if her brain stopped maturing when she left high school. I am waiting for a lawsuit against this woman.
The NJ news is surprising to me because I didn't know that sex ed was ever segregated by sex. It seems that this would make it harder for boys and girls to talk with each other about sex and would give kids an unhealthy curiosity about what they're missing out on in the other class. Of course it's completely bonkers to let some boys and girls into the opposite-sex class based on a nonbiological identity. But why segregate these classes at all?
Back in the day (the 60's) the last thing I would have wanted was a group of boys in the room while Disney's Tinkerbell explained to the girls about getting your period. Pretty sure the boys wouldn't have liked being their either. This was before the internet.
I'm 57yo. I attended public school in a Los Angeles suburb (not LA Unified School District). In 5th grade the boys and girls were taken to separate places to discuss issues related to hormones, menstruation, puberty, etc. We watched those silly government sponsored films showing sperm swimming towards the cervix and similar films.
I believ sex segregation in education has been shown to allow girls more freedom to express themselves. Whether nature or nurture, boys tend to dominate conversations and intimidate girls from speaking up. (Yes, even though girls tend to get good grades and succeed academically.) This is something I've witnessed firsthand as a teacher of many age groups in many countries. Starts in adolescence. Also the experience of sexual maturation is completely different for males and females. Do boys want to discuss spontaneous elections in a mixed setting? Do girls want to share how to get blood stains out of bedding? I hope a silver lining of these gender bending times will be an honest look at how the sexes are different yet complementary, and how both can thrive with mutual respect. Mixing them for these intimate discussions would not be effective.
I understand the rationale for separate-sex education in general. I guess I was thinking of these classes as being the only segregated class of the day and that it would be mainly the nuts and bolts, so to speak, of sex without much discussion of people's personal experiences. These days there's probably a lot of gender ideology that goes into it. "Spontaneous elections" definitely sounds like a discussion I would want to be part of! ;-)
I think part of the discomfort that kids feel is because frank discussion of these normal phenomena is taboo in mixed company. It might make for better relations and more empathy between the sexes if they had these discussions together. Since some schools have mixed classes while others don't, maybe there's some research on this.
Is it taboo or instinctive that some topics are considered intimate? My cross cultural experiences lead me to believe the latter. It varies to some degree but as a rule our bodily functions are not considered polite conversation, and we generally don't care to share those details with the world. It would be interesting to see any research.
Greetings from Sydney in winter, Lisa.
I had to distinguish for readers the LGBT Danish Rainbow Council from the group LGBT+ Danmark. By mainstream I mean that the rainbow council defends mainstream values such as the reality of biological sex & child safeguarding taking into account developmental psychology, while LGBT+ Danmark appears to uphold the Queer Theory medicalisation of gender clinics & their insistence that autonomy enables consent by children, which is a worldview that would have little support in the mainstream internationally, were it more widely understood. Yet in Denmark as elsewhere in rich countries this extreme worldview can also be said to be mainstream in the sense that it has captured key institutions & is able to enforce its program and suppress dissent. The question is how long before the people, the true mainstream, realise what has been achieved & what is being done by institutions captured by fringe ideologies. And as you well know, the answer depends very much on mainstream media correcting its own indoctrination & telling people plainly what is happening.
Thank you so much for clarifying, Bernard—and also very exciting to have you weigh in here!!
I’d visit more often, Lisa, but the good humour of my wife & kids is strained by my time invested in gender. They keep prescribing me “do more other stuff” pills. I’m a guilty but often non-compliant patient.
Love your work, may it prosper!
B
Great article from Jesse Singal:
"Why Did “On The Media” Stoke The Moral Panic Against Innocent New York Times Journalists Rather Than Investigate It? Journalism and media criticism both require skepticism"
https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/why-did-on-the-media-stoke-the-moral
Wesley Yang hosts a long discussion with Leor Sapir......
"Leor Sapir is a scholar at the Manhattan Institute who has become a leading figure in the ongoing effort to bring accountability to a medical field that has run off the rails.
In this episode of the Year Zero podcast, which was recorded in July, we discuss the fast evolving state of the legislative bans on child sex trait modification procedures and the wider project to bring an ongoing medical scandal to heel. "
https://wesleyyang.substack.com/p/its-possible-to-criticize-and-raise
Second this. Just listened and it’s such an important reminder of the necessity (if the challenge) to move Democrat thinking on this.
A routine pregnancy check prior to *hysterectomy* was not performed ... due to the patient's identity as a man and how "he" answered some questions on a questionnaire?
Totally bizarre. There was no actual confusion on this person's sex, it sounds like the hospital just trusted that there was no pregnancy in play (rather than doing the right thing and checking anyway). So bizarre.
My thoughts too. The patient wanted a hysterectomy, ergo the birth sex was female.
This is another top notch round-up--and I join in thanking IQ, as well. You raise thought-provoking questions, too. The foster care case makes me wonder how decisions in these cases have been made generally. I remember the days when gay and lesbian couples could not be approved to be foster or adoptive parents, so, even though I am not personally on board with some of the views the couple here has expressed, the social worker’s report is very troubling to me with regard to how foster care decisions are made and by whom. I doubt litigation will give a sensible result (witness all the cases you note today, along with the superb work Unyielding Bicyclist is doing on the Brandt case), but neither will regulating bodies that lead from other than sensible judgments about capability to perform as foster parents. I will be interested in the thoughts of anyone here who has experience with how the foster system works/should work.
On another note, re the lesbian speed dating story (thanks for including that), just the other day, I was reminded recently of a case way back when in NYC. We old lesbians were talking about where we met, and The Duchess, a grand old lesbian bar in NYC, came up prominently. One of our number reminded us why the Duchess closed down. Here’s the story: http://lostwomynsspace.blogspot.com/2013/02/duchess.html. So, not a new problem--and may also help explain the disappearance of these bars.
Thanks for another excellent round-up--loved your header photo, too!
Loving this Friday addition to Lisa’s excellent newsletters Thanks for doing this!
Thank you, as always, Kate! These are so informative. I will follow all the links and read in detail, but for now I'm stuck on the tragedies of the caught-too-late pregnancies of young women who call themselves/believe themselves to be "men". And on the quote from young Dr Daphna Stroumsa that the patient was "rightly classified as a man". That seems like such a profound system malfunction in the name of ideology - and a real failing of medical schooling today. And another conversation for parents of trans-identifying young adults to have together: as you're navigating the health care system, make sure all the clinicians know your sex.
Suzanne: so agree about the failings of medical schooling today. Just ran across this video, and was horrified all over again about what is being taught. The person speaking in this video is Johanna Olson-Kennedy, MD Medical Director, The Center for Transyouth Health and Development
Attending Physician
Investigator, Adolescent and Young Adult Medicine and Behavioral Health
Associate Professor of Clinical Pediatrics, Keck School of Medicine of USC
https://twitter.com/JeremyShawMD/status/1692564746719948965
In this video, Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy compares adolescents engaging in the ‘cinnamon challenge’ to adolescents undergoing mastectomies. She then goes on to say that, “if you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them”.
And yet I am still, daily, encountering liberal friends who are absolutely ignorant of what is going on. I will not stop trying to get through, but it is often astonishingly hard.
Oh yes, she's notorious. I learned this week that she is married to transman Aydin Olson-Kennedy, who also works at Children's Hospital LA. Together, they have given workshops to our local Bay Area MFT professional organization on writing letters of support for medicalization. The number of committed professionals and their level of commitment is mind-boggling and deeply upsetting.
I welcomed Lisa's suggestion on a recent podcast (maybe her interview with the PITT moms?) to send each of these clinicians a copy of the PITT book - maybe also the Sasha/Stella book too? I will be delivering both to UCSF for what it's worth.
That’s a great idea. You are a constant inspiration, Suzanne.
Yes, the cinnamon challenge and comparing a double mastectomy to the "bad decisions that adolescents make every day". "Dr." JOK has no credibility whatsoever. It's as if her brain stopped maturing when she left high school. I am waiting for a lawsuit against this woman.
Orwellian is the word that comes to mind.
The NJ news is surprising to me because I didn't know that sex ed was ever segregated by sex. It seems that this would make it harder for boys and girls to talk with each other about sex and would give kids an unhealthy curiosity about what they're missing out on in the other class. Of course it's completely bonkers to let some boys and girls into the opposite-sex class based on a nonbiological identity. But why segregate these classes at all?
Back in the day (the 60's) the last thing I would have wanted was a group of boys in the room while Disney's Tinkerbell explained to the girls about getting your period. Pretty sure the boys wouldn't have liked being their either. This was before the internet.
We must be close to the same age. I don't remember getting any sex instruction at school.
I'm 57yo. I attended public school in a Los Angeles suburb (not LA Unified School District). In 5th grade the boys and girls were taken to separate places to discuss issues related to hormones, menstruation, puberty, etc. We watched those silly government sponsored films showing sperm swimming towards the cervix and similar films.
I'm 74!
69!
I believ sex segregation in education has been shown to allow girls more freedom to express themselves. Whether nature or nurture, boys tend to dominate conversations and intimidate girls from speaking up. (Yes, even though girls tend to get good grades and succeed academically.) This is something I've witnessed firsthand as a teacher of many age groups in many countries. Starts in adolescence. Also the experience of sexual maturation is completely different for males and females. Do boys want to discuss spontaneous elections in a mixed setting? Do girls want to share how to get blood stains out of bedding? I hope a silver lining of these gender bending times will be an honest look at how the sexes are different yet complementary, and how both can thrive with mutual respect. Mixing them for these intimate discussions would not be effective.
I understand the rationale for separate-sex education in general. I guess I was thinking of these classes as being the only segregated class of the day and that it would be mainly the nuts and bolts, so to speak, of sex without much discussion of people's personal experiences. These days there's probably a lot of gender ideology that goes into it. "Spontaneous elections" definitely sounds like a discussion I would want to be part of! ;-)
Yes, makes sense. Prudish spell check doesn't approve of erections apparently!😉
I think part of the discomfort that kids feel is because frank discussion of these normal phenomena is taboo in mixed company. It might make for better relations and more empathy between the sexes if they had these discussions together. Since some schools have mixed classes while others don't, maybe there's some research on this.
Is it taboo or instinctive that some topics are considered intimate? My cross cultural experiences lead me to believe the latter. It varies to some degree but as a rule our bodily functions are not considered polite conversation, and we generally don't care to share those details with the world. It would be interesting to see any research.
Why the classes are segregated by sex was explained by National Lampoon in 1974:
http://andeverythingelsetoo.blogspot.com/2014/08/sex-education-class.html
Good stuff. Thx you