We were told this multiple times by therapists and at least one school counselor. “Your child might commit suicide or run away and become homeless”. Our son occasionally brings it up with a sort of taunting attitude. I hope the Times prints your letter. I have written several times asking that they do a piece on parents that includes those of us who disagree with the ideology as well as desistors and detransitioners….crickets.
It’s also time to do a deep dive into how gender nonconforming children have historically survived puberty, without medical or surgical intervention, or without affirmation, for all of human history.
this is such a glaringly obvious fault in the trans mythology.
when in the entire history of humanity have we seen massive suicides by children whose "innate opposite sex identities" are rejected? Never that's when.
Friggin idiocy of trans ideology ... and people believe this tripe.
If this is a true medical diagnosis, requiring medical and surgical intervention, in order to prevent death (only by suicide), surely it would be seen all over the world, throughout all of human history.
I truly hope they run this. It’s beyond unethical what is printed about this issue over and over again. What ever happened to campaigns like “it gets better”? Why this insistence that these kids will harm themselves, when everyone knows that insisting on it makes it more likely. Some days it feels like a dark conspiracy to get more kids into this precarious situation in order to raise money off their demise. It’s so so so sick.
It should be regarded as abusive and unprofessional for medical practioners to use the potential for suicide in this scaremongering way and there should be strong medical guidelines that say so.
Yes, great harm is being done to them by trans 'health care' and the very same people who are telling lies about not being medicalised and mutilated causing suicide. No health care service should do invasive surgery on healthy bodies or interfere with a young person's endocrine system.
No such thing as gender dysphoria. There are only 2 sexes and people can mimic the opposite sex if they want to. No child's endocrine system should be interfered with and no doctor should do surgery on the healthy bodies of adults or children. Yes, including cosmetic surgery. It's barbaric and bonkers. What ever happened to being perfect as we are?
The suicide issue is a perfect self-perpetuating storm I don't know how we're going to get out of. It's the ultimate shield and defense against any concerns about dangerous side effects and harms from the treatments and weak evidence. People are - understandably - too afraid to take the risk. Them Then the constant claims end up creating the suicidal ideation that is needed to prop up the claims that keep people afraid, allow for the harms to continue, and shield people from any guilt or doubts about their decisions or role in this. I really don't know how we're going to break this cycle.
The NYT has degenerated from a trusted, even-keeled, 'untouchable' news publication to a bastion of propaganda, bona fide misinformation and destructive ideology disseminator.
I had not read Williams' NYT editorial, but I just went over it, and this jumped out:
<<She’s angry, scared and hurt that the American system of democracy that we so put on a pedestal didn’t work to protect her.>>
HB 1 was enacted by a democratically elected legislature and signed by a democratically elected governor. A majority of the federal judges--at all levels--who heard the case agreed to let the law stand. Judging from the polls, if a national referendum on the topic were held, HB 1 would be a favorite to win it. So it seems to me democracy worked fine here...it just didn't work in Williams' favor.
Hey Lisa, I don’t know if you remember this, but in the early 2000s I remember going to some LGB health thing and they were telling us to tell parents of teens to ACCEPT them to prevent suicide. Like don’t kick them out of the house for being gay. “Do you want a gay son, or a dead son?” Indeed I had a lot of friends & acquaintances from the gay 90s and 2000s who did die by suicide. Disproportional ex-Mormons. 😢 it actually kind of sucked to be gay back then. I think this whole gestalt is still in the cultural milieu of the LGBTQ+etc community today… although the world has changed in much of the country shockingly quickly.
right but no one in that generation was saying, and your gay son needs his testicles removed and penis inverted into a permanent wound (what a horribly misogynistic view of the yoni!!!).
there's a long long distance between "don't kick out your gay son" and "sign here to consent to permanent infertility, anorgasmia, castration, and permanent prescriptions for cross sex hormones.
It's emotional blackmail designed to coerce the public into accepting "trans" as real when we all know it's a figment of their imagination and it's destroying far more people than it " helps ". Thanks ,Lisa.
We were told this multiple times by therapists and at least one school counselor. “Your child might commit suicide or run away and become homeless”. Our son occasionally brings it up with a sort of taunting attitude. I hope the Times prints your letter. I have written several times asking that they do a piece on parents that includes those of us who disagree with the ideology as well as desistors and detransitioners….crickets.
It’s also time to do a deep dive into how gender nonconforming children have historically survived puberty, without medical or surgical intervention, or without affirmation, for all of human history.
this is such a glaringly obvious fault in the trans mythology.
when in the entire history of humanity have we seen massive suicides by children whose "innate opposite sex identities" are rejected? Never that's when.
Friggin idiocy of trans ideology ... and people believe this tripe.
Where was the historical suicide epidemic before the Dutch protocol was invented/imported in the 2010s?
Exactly.
If this is a true medical diagnosis, requiring medical and surgical intervention, in order to prevent death (only by suicide), surely it would be seen all over the world, throughout all of human history.
And of course it wasn’t.
I truly hope they run this. It’s beyond unethical what is printed about this issue over and over again. What ever happened to campaigns like “it gets better”? Why this insistence that these kids will harm themselves, when everyone knows that insisting on it makes it more likely. Some days it feels like a dark conspiracy to get more kids into this precarious situation in order to raise money off their demise. It’s so so so sick.
It’s reckless, irresponsible and amoral.
It should be regarded as abusive and unprofessional for medical practioners to use the potential for suicide in this scaremongering way and there should be strong medical guidelines that say so.
Yes, great harm is being done to them by trans 'health care' and the very same people who are telling lies about not being medicalised and mutilated causing suicide. No health care service should do invasive surgery on healthy bodies or interfere with a young person's endocrine system.
No such thing as gender dysphoria. There are only 2 sexes and people can mimic the opposite sex if they want to. No child's endocrine system should be interfered with and no doctor should do surgery on the healthy bodies of adults or children. Yes, including cosmetic surgery. It's barbaric and bonkers. What ever happened to being perfect as we are?
The suicide issue is a perfect self-perpetuating storm I don't know how we're going to get out of. It's the ultimate shield and defense against any concerns about dangerous side effects and harms from the treatments and weak evidence. People are - understandably - too afraid to take the risk. Them Then the constant claims end up creating the suicidal ideation that is needed to prop up the claims that keep people afraid, allow for the harms to continue, and shield people from any guilt or doubts about their decisions or role in this. I really don't know how we're going to break this cycle.
All the rules go out the window when it comes to trans. Trans exceptionalism rules instead.
Thank you, Lisa!
We will be celebrating if NYT does publish your letter.
No chance they’ll this, right? I applaud your tenacity.
The NYT has degenerated from a trusted, even-keeled, 'untouchable' news publication to a bastion of propaganda, bona fide misinformation and destructive ideology disseminator.
Rates of suicidality track with populations with similar mental illness morbidity rates (anxiety, depression, bipolar, PD, etc.).
Great letter, thanks for sharing.
I had not read Williams' NYT editorial, but I just went over it, and this jumped out:
<<She’s angry, scared and hurt that the American system of democracy that we so put on a pedestal didn’t work to protect her.>>
HB 1 was enacted by a democratically elected legislature and signed by a democratically elected governor. A majority of the federal judges--at all levels--who heard the case agreed to let the law stand. Judging from the polls, if a national referendum on the topic were held, HB 1 would be a favorite to win it. So it seems to me democracy worked fine here...it just didn't work in Williams' favor.
So has this this letter been published? I don't see it in the Times.
LA Times is irresponsibly peddling the suicide narrative right now as well. https://archive.ph/noHaA
Hey Lisa, I don’t know if you remember this, but in the early 2000s I remember going to some LGB health thing and they were telling us to tell parents of teens to ACCEPT them to prevent suicide. Like don’t kick them out of the house for being gay. “Do you want a gay son, or a dead son?” Indeed I had a lot of friends & acquaintances from the gay 90s and 2000s who did die by suicide. Disproportional ex-Mormons. 😢 it actually kind of sucked to be gay back then. I think this whole gestalt is still in the cultural milieu of the LGBTQ+etc community today… although the world has changed in much of the country shockingly quickly.
right but no one in that generation was saying, and your gay son needs his testicles removed and penis inverted into a permanent wound (what a horribly misogynistic view of the yoni!!!).
there's a long long distance between "don't kick out your gay son" and "sign here to consent to permanent infertility, anorgasmia, castration, and permanent prescriptions for cross sex hormones.
It's emotional blackmail designed to coerce the public into accepting "trans" as real when we all know it's a figment of their imagination and it's destroying far more people than it " helps ". Thanks ,Lisa.
THE "guidelines" TEXT HYPER LINK IN THE 6TH PARAGRAPH IS NOT WORKING.