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Amanda Kovattana's avatar

There are still second wave feminists, in their '70s now, who continue to insist that a lesbian with a masculine presentation, i.e. a butch lesbian, is performing a role that is oppressive to women because to dress like a man is a bid for male power. That the necktie is a phallic symbol. That a woman who puts on make-up, high heels and a too short skirt is submitting to control by the patriarchy. Those edicts pretty much ended feminism for the next generation. Let that be a warning to those wanting to demarcate gender presentation in increasingly rigid ways.

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Heather Chapman's avatar

Yeah, when that first surfaced on X, I thought: "Leave those guys alone! They're certainly able to handle the choreography, and it's high time we stopped relegating feminine men to being either clowns or an underclass." But then the video showing them gyrating with two of their female team members in a ladies restroom came out, and I lost any enthusiasm for paying any further attention. I'm generally depressed by all these new fissures that seem to be forming in "the movement" to reject trans woo.

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