Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Glenna Goldis's avatar

Thanks for writing this, Lisa! This issue does overlap a lot with the gender wars. Complicated questions about who is the victim; blatant stereotyping; and of course misogyny.

I've had a few experiences where someone lashed out at me for being a "white woman." In one case, a woman disagreed with a comment I'd made on a friend's facebook post (none of it related to race) and in another, I'd asked a man on a crowded amtrak train if I could have the empty seat next to him. These experiences were really bizarre and I wouldn't believe them if they hadn't happened to me. Unfortunately, some people do hate white women and it's wrong that we let them indulge that hate openly.

Expand full comment
Kara Stanhope's avatar

You don’t mention the fact that Karen became a meme and a slur because it was a popular name in the late 50s - early 60s, meaning that it was supposedly descriptive of middle-aged white women. The age component was, I think, more (or equally) important than the race component when it first arose. White middle class women were brought up to be polite and nice above ALL else. “But I don’t want to be rude!” Was the mantra of their childhood, adolescent and early adulthood.

So they hit middle age after 5 decades of smiling in the face of whatever and they started to speak up because they really didn’t care anymore (and younger women seemed perfectly okay and non censured for speaking up) so they had the temerity to open their mouths and say something without first parsing every single word for niceness or making sure to keep that upward lilt to the end of every sentence.

1. Karens are famously and initially known for calling the police on loud house parties/barbecues.

When asking some assholes to turn down their obnoxiously loud ordinance violating party music 5 times resulted in the partiers laughing and turning up the music, the Karen just calls the police instead. Why not? Seems to me the entitlement is with the people who only care about what they want to do regardless of how it may impact the people around them. 10 o’clock at night? Who the fuck cares? Turn up the bass.

(And the customer service meme, demanding to speak to the manager. Well, if you’re in customer service 75% of your job is dealing with people who are frustrated and upset *usually for understandable reasons* and its very easy to diffuse the hostility in 90% of the cases. If you can’t figure it out, you should get another job, not film people with your cameras.

2. Central Park Karen, where the meme really spread from age dependent to race dependent.

You have a 6’3 man (with his activist sister hiding in the bushes so she can capture a viral video) and a 5’3” woman in a secluded part of Central Park. He *instructs* her to leash her dog and when she doesn’t comply, lures her dog to him with treats (causing her to scream at him to leave her and her dog alone), at which point HE gets up in her face and starts following her. She calls the police and describes him as a 6 foot tall black man who is threatening her in the park.

She is accused of being a racist because she described him as black and we are told that her sense of threat was ONLY because he was black.

He was portrayed as an innocent bird nerd minding his own business who is randomly targeted by a racist woman. Poor him.

She loses her dog and her job.

Well done!

NYT follows up with an op-ed article on how lynching was really the responsibility of white women and their tears and false accusations of rape (misogynistic much?). AND, *logically* the over representation of black men in prison is somehow in some significant but also insidious way ALSO the result of white women’s manipulative tears and false fears, prompting their big stupid racist men to preemptively incarcerate the poor innocent black men!!!!!!

3. Citibank Karen

Let’s just start by asking, how likely is it that a white 6months pregnant nurse is going to walk up to a group of 5 black teenagers and try to “steal” their bike rental? Seriously? I thought white women are racist for being terrified of groups of black teenagers and crossing the street and locking her car doors the moment she spies them for no good reason at all?

She should sue the shit out of every single one of the people who slandered and defamed her. She should really become a Karen and stomp through the China shop of anti-racist grifters and all their pandering supporters.

Expand full comment
41 more comments...

No posts