Wow. I can relate a teeeny bit with Cristina's remembered feelings of guilt over not fully believing the fantasy. I think the main reason I pulled away from volunteering with Braver Angels was due to the many unspoken thoughts I had while attempting to listen with an open mind to a trans-identified person asserting her "right" to have yet another surgery financed by the Federal government. (BTW, using the sex-accurate pronouns even now feels ridiculous, because this individual passed as male, at least through a zoom screen.) I shake my head in dumbfounded wonder at the guilt that even I, a parent scared shitless over what damage her daughter will do next to her body to serve this cult-like belief system, alternating between helpless rage at those who've handed their best impulses over to serving it and a sort of sad "they know not what they do" resignation, can feel over my wanting an end to policies financing continued surgical vivisection of otherwise admirable individuals who happen to be under the influence of this self-destructive drive to ruthlessly mould themselves to fit this imaginary identity (even those who acknowledge the ultimate goal is impossible, it seems). There is a cruelty in our moral expectations that those who've physically lost so much should nevertheless "soldier on" in this life.
Intense discussion and i felt anger for Christina against that Dr and for so much of her story but also in that it seemed that Lisa kind of let Christina hang out there and go it alone for so long without interviewer intervention. Either way, still so much to be gotten from hearing Christina tell it straightforward. Ty Christina for sharing the details of what really happened on this very difficult journey.
This must've been so hard to have shared the truth of your experience..
Does anyone know, how did she learn to not value other’s opinions over her own? What does that path look like to self acceptance and letting go of the dysphoria lies and lack of science in GAC and having to be this presentation or that presentation?
Lisa and Cristina- I can not thank you enough. My daughter's journey is quite similar to Cristina, though she was 12 during Covid and decided she was trans. She is about to turn 18 in the spring and I see signs that she is moving away from this as it is not all consuming and she is no longer friends with the larger LGBTQ crew that she hung out with in the beginning, but I am so worried that she has just decided that this is who she is and she doesn't want to talk about it anymore, she just wants to live as a man (basically, for parents watching and waiting is difficult because we don't know what is going on in the mind). This video is so perfect to share with her because you speak so clearly about the inner conflict of understanding trans/homosexuality as tied together and innate and healthy. This has been my biggest concern is that she has no true understanding that this has popped on the scene and was pushed on kids /society before they are mature enough to discern reality and what is actually healthcare. There is so much that I want to say about this, but I wanted to get on here and just say that this is a BRILLIANT interview and greatly appreciated. There are so many threads that cover exactly the topics that I have wanted to tease out further with my daughter before she makes any decisions.
Cristina, I wish you well as you move through all of this. You are so incredible for speaking out and explaining your journey is such a compassionate way.
Lisa, thank you for being a person who stands up and speaks up with clarity of purpose on this incredibly complicated and rife topic.
Wow!!! The first minute: "I started testosterone very shortly after I turned 18 and I got a mastectomy (top surgery)...halfway through age 19, 6 weeks before I ended up detransitioning..."
A powerful, poignant voice. My very best wished for this brave, forthright young woman.
This cultural madness has taken a terrible toll, directly on those who have been prey to it, and indirectly on those of us who have been burned or insulted by the distortion of science & medicine, social cost, and the political blow-back. (My political donations will be to Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender. Like a lot of well-meaning people, feeling betrayed by my party of choice.)
Cristina, you were failed in so many ways. Goodness knows adolescence is difficult enough without all the added pressures you describe. You are a beautiful, courageous woman. May your life from here on out give you huge helpings of love and joy. 🙏❤️🙏
Cristina, thank you so much for doing this episode with Lisa. I am several decades older than you, and did not go through a time of questioning my own identity, but I did believe (like you) that things I’d been told about “gender identity” were fact, and, like you, I did train myself to see trans-identifying people in my circles as their target (rather than actual) sex.
I was accepting the “wrong body” story as literal truth.
Looking back, I have often thought in terms of the “spell breaking” for me, as Lisa puts it.
I am so glad you are doing better and I look forward to supporting your good efforts with DIAG. I, too, am feeling a moral obligation to dislodge this belief system from the institutions where it’s being presented as fact.
Does it make sense to create flyers of info and just start plastering the streets of NYC? what will it take to get the truth out to the public? and to create sweeping change in the medical establishment?
Cristina, you are courageous and well spoken. Thank you so much for speaking up. You are helping others. Your story will help so many who might be harmed, hopefully waking up some who are in similar situations and those who have been harmed.
Thank you so much, Cristina, for sharing your story and for wanting, and acting, to protect others from what you've experienced. Wishing you well with each new day. And thank you, Lisa, for bringing Cristina and her story to us. I'm so very grateful for both of you.
I am grateful for and inspired by your bravery and vulnerability, Cristina, as well as heartbroken about the pain you have experienced. I have a natal daughter a year younger than you who, despite significant comorbidities (including a sexual assault right before the Covid isolation) walked into a clinic and was given testosterone at first visit. Her (goes by him) locus of control and sense of self is entirely externally driven. I am so glad to hear that you are not caring any longer about what others think - this is such a huge leap in maturity, however painfully acquired. I hope the same for my beautiful young adult daughter before too much more time passes and more endocrine harm is done.
You are beautiful, inside and out, Cristina. Thank you again for opening up, and of course thank you as always for making discussion like this available, Lisa. It shines vital light for so many of us watching our kids suffer.
Wow. I can relate a teeeny bit with Cristina's remembered feelings of guilt over not fully believing the fantasy. I think the main reason I pulled away from volunteering with Braver Angels was due to the many unspoken thoughts I had while attempting to listen with an open mind to a trans-identified person asserting her "right" to have yet another surgery financed by the Federal government. (BTW, using the sex-accurate pronouns even now feels ridiculous, because this individual passed as male, at least through a zoom screen.) I shake my head in dumbfounded wonder at the guilt that even I, a parent scared shitless over what damage her daughter will do next to her body to serve this cult-like belief system, alternating between helpless rage at those who've handed their best impulses over to serving it and a sort of sad "they know not what they do" resignation, can feel over my wanting an end to policies financing continued surgical vivisection of otherwise admirable individuals who happen to be under the influence of this self-destructive drive to ruthlessly mould themselves to fit this imaginary identity (even those who acknowledge the ultimate goal is impossible, it seems). There is a cruelty in our moral expectations that those who've physically lost so much should nevertheless "soldier on" in this life.
Intense discussion and i felt anger for Christina against that Dr and for so much of her story but also in that it seemed that Lisa kind of let Christina hang out there and go it alone for so long without interviewer intervention. Either way, still so much to be gotten from hearing Christina tell it straightforward. Ty Christina for sharing the details of what really happened on this very difficult journey.
This must've been so hard to have shared the truth of your experience..
Does anyone know, how did she learn to not value other’s opinions over her own? What does that path look like to self acceptance and letting go of the dysphoria lies and lack of science in GAC and having to be this presentation or that presentation?
Lisa and Cristina- I can not thank you enough. My daughter's journey is quite similar to Cristina, though she was 12 during Covid and decided she was trans. She is about to turn 18 in the spring and I see signs that she is moving away from this as it is not all consuming and she is no longer friends with the larger LGBTQ crew that she hung out with in the beginning, but I am so worried that she has just decided that this is who she is and she doesn't want to talk about it anymore, she just wants to live as a man (basically, for parents watching and waiting is difficult because we don't know what is going on in the mind). This video is so perfect to share with her because you speak so clearly about the inner conflict of understanding trans/homosexuality as tied together and innate and healthy. This has been my biggest concern is that she has no true understanding that this has popped on the scene and was pushed on kids /society before they are mature enough to discern reality and what is actually healthcare. There is so much that I want to say about this, but I wanted to get on here and just say that this is a BRILLIANT interview and greatly appreciated. There are so many threads that cover exactly the topics that I have wanted to tease out further with my daughter before she makes any decisions.
Cristina, I wish you well as you move through all of this. You are so incredible for speaking out and explaining your journey is such a compassionate way.
Lisa, thank you for being a person who stands up and speaks up with clarity of purpose on this incredibly complicated and rife topic.
Wow!!! The first minute: "I started testosterone very shortly after I turned 18 and I got a mastectomy (top surgery)...halfway through age 19, 6 weeks before I ended up detransitioning..."
A powerful, poignant voice. My very best wished for this brave, forthright young woman.
This cultural madness has taken a terrible toll, directly on those who have been prey to it, and indirectly on those of us who have been burned or insulted by the distortion of science & medicine, social cost, and the political blow-back. (My political donations will be to Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender. Like a lot of well-meaning people, feeling betrayed by my party of choice.)
Cristina, you were failed in so many ways. Goodness knows adolescence is difficult enough without all the added pressures you describe. You are a beautiful, courageous woman. May your life from here on out give you huge helpings of love and joy. 🙏❤️🙏
Great interview- Christina did a great job. I know it was very difficult. I feel like I understand better now.
Cristina, thank you so much for doing this episode with Lisa. I am several decades older than you, and did not go through a time of questioning my own identity, but I did believe (like you) that things I’d been told about “gender identity” were fact, and, like you, I did train myself to see trans-identifying people in my circles as their target (rather than actual) sex.
I was accepting the “wrong body” story as literal truth.
Looking back, I have often thought in terms of the “spell breaking” for me, as Lisa puts it.
I am so glad you are doing better and I look forward to supporting your good efforts with DIAG. I, too, am feeling a moral obligation to dislodge this belief system from the institutions where it’s being presented as fact.
Does it make sense to create flyers of info and just start plastering the streets of NYC? what will it take to get the truth out to the public? and to create sweeping change in the medical establishment?
please share her info and what the lawsuit is so we can support her.
Cristina, you are courageous and well spoken. Thank you so much for speaking up. You are helping others. Your story will help so many who might be harmed, hopefully waking up some who are in similar situations and those who have been harmed.
Thank you so much, Cristina, for sharing your story and for wanting, and acting, to protect others from what you've experienced. Wishing you well with each new day. And thank you, Lisa, for bringing Cristina and her story to us. I'm so very grateful for both of you.
I am grateful for and inspired by your bravery and vulnerability, Cristina, as well as heartbroken about the pain you have experienced. I have a natal daughter a year younger than you who, despite significant comorbidities (including a sexual assault right before the Covid isolation) walked into a clinic and was given testosterone at first visit. Her (goes by him) locus of control and sense of self is entirely externally driven. I am so glad to hear that you are not caring any longer about what others think - this is such a huge leap in maturity, however painfully acquired. I hope the same for my beautiful young adult daughter before too much more time passes and more endocrine harm is done.
You are beautiful, inside and out, Cristina. Thank you again for opening up, and of course thank you as always for making discussion like this available, Lisa. It shines vital light for so many of us watching our kids suffer.