Everyone knows their gender identity but “Not because of their body parts”: wow, not only is the body a thing separable from the self, but it is simply a collection of parts.
Thank you, Lisa, as always. I, too, wonder how we "free ourselves from endless battle". This week on the PBS NewsHour they "fact-checked" like it was 2017.
"And it's important to fact-check that treatments like puberty blockers are commonly used and are reversible, and gender-affirming care for minors is rare. All gender-affirming care treatments are part of extensive evaluations between doctors and families."
The segment ended with a PSA for the 988 Suicide Hotline.
Same with the coverage I just watched on Nightline last night where they covered the order preventing transitioned mtf athletes from competing in girls and women’s sports and failed to get the most basic facts straight about the real advantages conferred by male puberty despite suppression of testosterone for athletes like Lia Thomas, and the difference between inclusion of male to female trans athletes vs female to male trans athletes (they reported as if these were the same), minimized the number of trans athletes participating in women’s sports, and only interviewed Lia Thomas and not one of the athletes who competed against Lia, and failed to include a single expert on the subject of trans inclusion in sports while referring sympathetically to the climate of “anti-trans” legislation (instead of acknowledging the idea of “safeguarding” legislation)
I was yelling at the tv by the end of it 😖 and while Lia’s rhetoric about “policing bodies” and denial of physiological advantage (there are “all kinds of body types” in athletic competition) was certainly frustrating I was most angry at the media for doing such a lazy job of fact checking at the most basic level
So many lies! I don’t know how we fix it but as more people recognize the lies, we can hope that these corrupted institutions either reform or shrink in influence.
Before most of us were hit with an unexpected new gender proclamation by our teen or YA child, the activists were busy creating the indoctrination curriculum.
How to walk this back?
It won't just disappear--the ideas, the careers built on this concept of an innate gender identity.
I am very sad for children and parents exposed to this indoctrination.
Walking it back is going to be very difficult. We have an entire generation of teachers that are passionate believers in gender ideology, and school boards that back them up.
The only possibility I see is complete defunding of the public schools. Go entirely to a voucher system and private schools. This will at least give parents a choice. Most will just choose the cheapest, which will be staffed by all the gender ideologues who can't get jobs at the better schools, but it's something.
no. Teachers are used to centralized control. They teach the approved curriculum. The way to change this is to change the approved curriculum. Losing federal funding if this b.s. is taught should change the curriculum.
Uggg . . . reading through all those screenshots of the curriculum being used on children in NYC schools makes me feel sick. The best outcome one can hope for under such conditions is for this generation to grow up with attitudes of incredible cynicism towards the authorities. I really don't know how we get a society in which so many are so vitally invested in upholding this crap to pull back. It may be that the wrecking ball that is Trump is really the only way . . . was listening to a Marc Andreessen interview on the Lex Fridman show. It's really worth your time. He mentions a political theory that democracy is untenable in the real world because they always turn into oligarchies because most people don't want to spend their lives keeping an eye on the sociopaths. The best we can hope for is a better oligarchy being able to displace a bad one via bloodless revolution, and that true democracy is as unachievable as true communism when you've only got human beings to work with. In fact, the more examples of otherwise kind and intelligent people so stubbornly clinging to this fantasy I see, the less I like the concept of democracy. Our population has way too many individuals with adult bodies, but the minds of toddlers. See https://x.com/home
I personally disagree with this whole lesson plan. I used to teach history of feminism at the college level. The stuff presented here is hokum. It is someone's pipe-dream that is being taught to children as fact. This needs to stop.
This is all so strange. No one is telling anyone who to present themselves in the world regardless of biological sex. The young woman says something like, "when people don't conform to gender roles it makes people 'scared'." WTF is she talking about. Did David Bowie make people scared? Or Boy George, Martina Navratilova, Ellen DeGeneres or even Harry Styles? This is all the inverse of reality.
I feel like this whole (regressive) movement has been enabled by, among other things, the current parenting trends whereby pain, or even disappointment, is a sign of something gone awry that must be fixed or disappeared by parents - vs. an opportunity to support your kid to practice managing the pains and disappointments of life. And then of course the glaring absurdity of presenting a video like this that quietly allows the suggestion that "girls" = laugh and dress 'a certain way' without a hint of circa - 1992 (1982? 1972?) feminism 101 self-awareness. Madness.
It’s very interesting to me to notice that at one time I might not have had any difficulty with this sort of instruction on language regarding concepts of sex vs gender identity vs sexual orientation without any awareness of the possible problem of conflating gender roles and one’s sense of and desire to express one’s felt gender identity which I see more clearly now can only refer back to stereotypes of behavior and dress—I think the crux of why this sells so easily without people questioning it at all is something which is implied but not directly stated in these types of curricula—the idea that one is born with a gender identity rather than having any other pathway to self identity, and those of us who are not conflicted about our sex assume that people who claim non binary or trans identity must have arrived at this the same way we did, from a young age that was just a natural process that should not be questioned therefore
Also I just wanted to ask a question, what developmental psych research are you referring to that suggests the age by which kids reach constancy (fixed awareness of one’s sex) and what methods were used in this research to assess development of “gender” identity? (we really ought to say sexual identity except that gets misinterpreted as sexual orientation) And how did they differentiate that from what was once called “sex roles”? (I believe that was the term used by Sandra Bem if memory serves, from long ago psychology studies)
Looking forward to your book, I assume you will include more details in this area
I dig the way you are framing this argument. I also agree with you that this is misguided compassion and destabilizing power run amok and we have to course correct quickly. The dems have to come back in the midterms and I think you should be the spokesperson for sanity because this is the issue that is tanking us and we have to be bold and clever with how we do it. I just found you today so I don't know if you are familiar with the science, but as of 2020 at least, the science on teenage sexuality is pretty clear: it is a time of deep fluidity and change. I was a trial attorney for many years representing men who were alleged to be sexually violent predators (always a showstopper at dinner parties); anyway, the science is so robust that teenage sexuality is not fixed that I got a state expert to concede he couldn't properly diagnose a paraphilia in my then 40 year old client because he was a teenager at the time. The jury released my client because the science was so compelling. I remember being surprised several years ago when gender affirming care started to balloon - mostly in teenage girls - at how the science on sexual fluidity in adolescence was not being applied to teenage girls who were identifying as boys. I was a little shocked when I read last year or so about the research coming out of Europe and how people in positions of power didn't seem to have read it or acknowledge that there was new research (that supported the old research) that teenagers are too young to make such a lasting decision about their bodies. It is okay, kind people out there, to acknowledge what you didn't know and thank the researchers for shining new (old) light. Thank you for taking this important issue on so thoughtfully. I appreciate you!!
If non-binary is someone who "doesn't feel completely like a man or a woman", than every single middle school kid is non-binary.
Everyone knows their gender identity but “Not because of their body parts”: wow, not only is the body a thing separable from the self, but it is simply a collection of parts.
We are only Mr Potato Heads.
All of this is appalling tosh and twaddle. None of it belongs anywhere in schools.
Thank you, Lisa, as always. I, too, wonder how we "free ourselves from endless battle". This week on the PBS NewsHour they "fact-checked" like it was 2017.
"And it's important to fact-check that treatments like puberty blockers are commonly used and are reversible, and gender-affirming care for minors is rare. All gender-affirming care treatments are part of extensive evaluations between doctors and families."
The segment ended with a PSA for the 988 Suicide Hotline.
How to get through?
Same with the coverage I just watched on Nightline last night where they covered the order preventing transitioned mtf athletes from competing in girls and women’s sports and failed to get the most basic facts straight about the real advantages conferred by male puberty despite suppression of testosterone for athletes like Lia Thomas, and the difference between inclusion of male to female trans athletes vs female to male trans athletes (they reported as if these were the same), minimized the number of trans athletes participating in women’s sports, and only interviewed Lia Thomas and not one of the athletes who competed against Lia, and failed to include a single expert on the subject of trans inclusion in sports while referring sympathetically to the climate of “anti-trans” legislation (instead of acknowledging the idea of “safeguarding” legislation)
I was yelling at the tv by the end of it 😖 and while Lia’s rhetoric about “policing bodies” and denial of physiological advantage (there are “all kinds of body types” in athletic competition) was certainly frustrating I was most angry at the media for doing such a lazy job of fact checking at the most basic level
Don’t believe your lying eyes, says William.
So many lies! I don’t know how we fix it but as more people recognize the lies, we can hope that these corrupted institutions either reform or shrink in influence.
Cannot get through, must defund. Thankfully Trump and Musk understand that.
Before most of us were hit with an unexpected new gender proclamation by our teen or YA child, the activists were busy creating the indoctrination curriculum.
How to walk this back?
It won't just disappear--the ideas, the careers built on this concept of an innate gender identity.
I am very sad for children and parents exposed to this indoctrination.
Good piece on what Trump's EO can do:
https://justdad7180.substack.com/p/ending-the-gender-affirming-care
Walking it back is going to be very difficult. We have an entire generation of teachers that are passionate believers in gender ideology, and school boards that back them up.
The only possibility I see is complete defunding of the public schools. Go entirely to a voucher system and private schools. This will at least give parents a choice. Most will just choose the cheapest, which will be staffed by all the gender ideologues who can't get jobs at the better schools, but it's something.
no. Teachers are used to centralized control. They teach the approved curriculum. The way to change this is to change the approved curriculum. Losing federal funding if this b.s. is taught should change the curriculum.
I hope public schools can go back to the basics.
Leave ideology outside of the school.
It's ending. We have to keep pushing, but it's ending. Lisa, you are a true legend.
You are on a roll, Lisa. Thank you so much. I have restacked.
Thank you again for clearly showing the madness of this ideology and the deep error of what some schools are doing.
Uggg . . . reading through all those screenshots of the curriculum being used on children in NYC schools makes me feel sick. The best outcome one can hope for under such conditions is for this generation to grow up with attitudes of incredible cynicism towards the authorities. I really don't know how we get a society in which so many are so vitally invested in upholding this crap to pull back. It may be that the wrecking ball that is Trump is really the only way . . . was listening to a Marc Andreessen interview on the Lex Fridman show. It's really worth your time. He mentions a political theory that democracy is untenable in the real world because they always turn into oligarchies because most people don't want to spend their lives keeping an eye on the sociopaths. The best we can hope for is a better oligarchy being able to displace a bad one via bloodless revolution, and that true democracy is as unachievable as true communism when you've only got human beings to work with. In fact, the more examples of otherwise kind and intelligent people so stubbornly clinging to this fantasy I see, the less I like the concept of democracy. Our population has way too many individuals with adult bodies, but the minds of toddlers. See https://x.com/home
Your link is just to the x.com homepage ...
Can Trump sign an executive order to abolish the phrase ‘sex assigned at birth’. Please please.
indoctrination is right.
I personally disagree with this whole lesson plan. I used to teach history of feminism at the college level. The stuff presented here is hokum. It is someone's pipe-dream that is being taught to children as fact. This needs to stop.
Here is a video from my schools curriculum where, after lots of talk about 'breaking gender boxes' and stereotypes, they proceed to highlight a girl who has successfully left gender boxes and stereotypes unquestioned and fully in tact, while dismantling herself out of the female category. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BztB8eT-W0CcMEx1WW0xSFh1TmM/view?resourcekey=0-Dwdww_MEbPwbXVtmcJoubg
This is all so strange. No one is telling anyone who to present themselves in the world regardless of biological sex. The young woman says something like, "when people don't conform to gender roles it makes people 'scared'." WTF is she talking about. Did David Bowie make people scared? Or Boy George, Martina Navratilova, Ellen DeGeneres or even Harry Styles? This is all the inverse of reality.
I feel like this whole (regressive) movement has been enabled by, among other things, the current parenting trends whereby pain, or even disappointment, is a sign of something gone awry that must be fixed or disappeared by parents - vs. an opportunity to support your kid to practice managing the pains and disappointments of life. And then of course the glaring absurdity of presenting a video like this that quietly allows the suggestion that "girls" = laugh and dress 'a certain way' without a hint of circa - 1992 (1982? 1972?) feminism 101 self-awareness. Madness.
It’s very interesting to me to notice that at one time I might not have had any difficulty with this sort of instruction on language regarding concepts of sex vs gender identity vs sexual orientation without any awareness of the possible problem of conflating gender roles and one’s sense of and desire to express one’s felt gender identity which I see more clearly now can only refer back to stereotypes of behavior and dress—I think the crux of why this sells so easily without people questioning it at all is something which is implied but not directly stated in these types of curricula—the idea that one is born with a gender identity rather than having any other pathway to self identity, and those of us who are not conflicted about our sex assume that people who claim non binary or trans identity must have arrived at this the same way we did, from a young age that was just a natural process that should not be questioned therefore
Also I just wanted to ask a question, what developmental psych research are you referring to that suggests the age by which kids reach constancy (fixed awareness of one’s sex) and what methods were used in this research to assess development of “gender” identity? (we really ought to say sexual identity except that gets misinterpreted as sexual orientation) And how did they differentiate that from what was once called “sex roles”? (I believe that was the term used by Sandra Bem if memory serves, from long ago psychology studies)
Looking forward to your book, I assume you will include more details in this area
I dig the way you are framing this argument. I also agree with you that this is misguided compassion and destabilizing power run amok and we have to course correct quickly. The dems have to come back in the midterms and I think you should be the spokesperson for sanity because this is the issue that is tanking us and we have to be bold and clever with how we do it. I just found you today so I don't know if you are familiar with the science, but as of 2020 at least, the science on teenage sexuality is pretty clear: it is a time of deep fluidity and change. I was a trial attorney for many years representing men who were alleged to be sexually violent predators (always a showstopper at dinner parties); anyway, the science is so robust that teenage sexuality is not fixed that I got a state expert to concede he couldn't properly diagnose a paraphilia in my then 40 year old client because he was a teenager at the time. The jury released my client because the science was so compelling. I remember being surprised several years ago when gender affirming care started to balloon - mostly in teenage girls - at how the science on sexual fluidity in adolescence was not being applied to teenage girls who were identifying as boys. I was a little shocked when I read last year or so about the research coming out of Europe and how people in positions of power didn't seem to have read it or acknowledge that there was new research (that supported the old research) that teenagers are too young to make such a lasting decision about their bodies. It is okay, kind people out there, to acknowledge what you didn't know and thank the researchers for shining new (old) light. Thank you for taking this important issue on so thoughtfully. I appreciate you!!