I found Buck’s observation, the eliding of body modification and gender medicine, shocking and insightful. I’ve seen almost nothing in the comments about that. Some people can’t see the forest for the he’s.
Lia Thomas was so “uncomfortable” undressing with males and yet apparently clueless what she put those female swimmers through when she changed with them.
Is the word….. narcissism?
It is beyond belief.
And then UPenn had the gall to tell those young women that if they had a problem with a male changing with them that THEY were the ones that needed therapy.
When my son (at 15, ASD, gifted) told me he was a girl, I was a card-carrying liberal tribe member & figured I had one of those rare kids with this issue. It took me about 2 weeks to figure out something fishy was going on, but in the meantime I was very interested in the Trans Wellness conference since we live in the Philly burbs - Jazz was talking it up at that time. Holy moley did we dodge a bullet. So many bullets.
I think it's interesting that the woman used word safe.
I saw Matt Walsh's new movie Am I a Racist this past weekend. In the opening scene there was a black woman leading a struggle session with a circle of white people. She declared that she wasn't safe in any room with all white people. It was a very big theme. Safe. Matt got up at one point just to tell her she was, in fact, safe there. But I think maybe her physical safety wasn't what they were talking about. Or maybe it was. It's just one of those discussions they shut down before anyone could discuss too much.
I wonder if the trans parents and TRAs and gender confused kids are parroting this. I think they are and have been successful with this tactic for a while. They are trying to make sure they all see themselves as victims so they will be lifted up in our society to the top with liberal white women clearing the path. Families be damned.
It’s all so sad, and really hard to know how we are going to get out of this terrible place. Good for you all for going into the belly of the beast and reporting back.
Just one side-note: while I don’t want to make a “thing” out of this, I really did find the language confusing, causing me to have to stop several times to try and grasp who was male and who was female, which seemed particularly important to know in this context. It was, for me, an object lesson in what happens cognitively when what were once ordinary, commonly understood, terms become unmoored from stable meanings.
Bev Jackson, of the LGB Alliance, recently observed the following about how we use language in these situations. I thought it helpful, so I am quoting her here:
“Why did some of us use female pronouns for “transwomen” for several years before switching to “trans-identifying males” and then (in most cases) to “men”?
* For years, anyone who did not use “preferred pronouns” was liable to be permanently banned from this and other platforms. (On some platforms that still applies);
* Some of us believed large swathes of the population (well-meaning, not very well-informed, persuaded by the “be kind” mantra) would simply not listen to what we were saying otherwise.
All that has changed. People are better informed now. We need to avoid confusion and keep to plain speaking. Men are men.”
After viewing comments to that, she then followed up with this:
“I see some people deliberately missing the point. Yes, it was a strategic decision. And yes, strategies change according to context. Unless you don’t care about reaching the majority of well-meaning young people - and I obviously don’t mean the zealots here - who have been told, and who really think, that gender-critical people are hateful. So if I’m talking to young people like that I will avoid third-person pronouns altogether. And in some circumstances I may avoid saying “man” if I notice it stops them listening. My personal view - and you’re free to disagree - is that you can’t achieve social change unless you respond to social contexts.”
I had the same response, but overall I appreciate this evocative reporting from ‘Inside,’ where most of us fear to tread! (Maybe safetyism undermines us too?)
Thanks for attending and writing about this, especially for highlighting going no contact with family who don’t agree. In our case, it was only not using the name early on that did it - all before we could have a talk about it. Too many families to count have been obliterated by the trans cult. It has become a full on cult. My one caution is to not attribute AGP with these young male cohorts because there is much to be studied about this cult and how they are indoctrinated. As much as I’d love to excoriate the TRAs as to the reason they take on this identity, I will only do so for spreading the BS and indoctrinating more vulnerable kids/YA.
You hit the nail on the head describing the "trans" kids going no contact with their families. While I am sure there is nothing that applies to everyone, it seems that most of these privileged, emotionally fragile kids are seizing power (whether they realize this is what they are doing or not). They would be better off keeping their relationship to their families, who love and support them and simply disagree about what it means to be "trans," but they cut off their families to take a stand and also seem like victims.
Anything named "Philly something-something" always brings to mind the blue party dresses of AGP Phil Illy. Makes me wonder if he figured that out. I really couldn't get past all the "she" and "her--all the captured language, in this one. Will/Lia Thomas's sexual fetish obsession, the whips and other exotic kink gear pretending to be art on his walls are well documented. Please do a review of Behind the Looking Glass, the first and so far, only documentary about women who unwittingly married men like Will Thomas only to be betrayed doubly, by him and by writers of the world using female pronouns for said husband, implying men suddenly self-cloaked in female persona are also entitled to the word "mother" of the children he's fathered. This is a psychiatric illness, now labeled under the OCD category, by child psychologist Dr. Elliot Kaminetsky. More accurately called Identity-Based Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, this delusion can end, healing can surface within a structure of truth. I personally have no skin in the game regarding the reactions of "true trans world," and while the father of my sons may have a little tantrum about truth bombs emerging now, it isn't his concern to protect the next generation, never was. I do care about the next generations. Those who ideate an opposite sex persona are psychiatrically ill and not getting better from iatrogenic, harmful medicalization. For those who haven't seen the epic documentary profiling 18 courageous women from all over the world, in all age groups:
I watched it last night and found it very powerful. I was crying pretty hard by the end, but I don’t want that to inhibit anyone’s watching it— I’d just had an emotional few days! The film is beautifully art directed and the narratives are clear-eyed, no drama or hyperbole. I highly recommend the film. (Ute’s in it, and it’s good to see and hear her, finally.)
I'm also at my YouTube channel, Trans Widow Ute Heggen. This is a sensitive reaction to a difficult topic. I regard the entire diagnosis as a "target error" and believe that Identity-Based Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder encompasses most or even all of the symptoms. In looking forward, Jenny, I hope there will be a friend you can help who will be so grateful for your nuanced understanding. I just put up a tribute to my mother, who died at age 100 exactly 5 years ago today. How can anyone consider re-naming mothers as "birthing parent? I'm glad Mom didn't have to witness it.
THIS: "One big difference between trans women and women: the former don’t seem to realize that being a woman often means sacrificing, and not having control over your body and destiny.
“[Lia] Thomas could have taken a step back, turned at the fork in the road, and started a tranny swim club to access and promote those benefits without putting anyone else out,” my companion noted. “That’s part of what’s wrong about today’s trans activism — trans activists are hell bent on making things harder or worse for society at large, rather than making anyone’s life better.”
It's insane to me that actual women don't see the disconnect in telling women, like the UPenn swim team, that they must allow themselves to be made uncomfortable in order to make the man in the room feel comfortable. That's just nuts.
Agreed. Hey, I know it's become a thing for people to leave the Democratic party over this. But there are an awful lot of us who still believe in democracy, individual rights and the separation of church and state who also recognize the disaster that is the current state of gender ideology.
It's becoming more than this tbh. I'm also unhappy with their blatant antisemitism and downplaying the issues with immigration at current levels. They preach "kindness" but then feel free to attack Jewish citizens in this country for what's happening between Israel and Palestine. Unfortunately, the only thing worse than four more years of this is the prospect of four more years of Trump. That's a nonstarter for me.
It sounds like you are talking about the young radical left, not the Democratic party. Definitely not Kamala Harris. She and Joe Biden have been supportive of Jewish citizens and of Israel to a fault. If you are getting your information from right wing/GOP sources, then it makes sense that you would think that. I am regularly shocked, but not surprised, by the extent of their willingness to lie. If you drill down into what is actually true, you'll see that Harris is not at all antisemitic. She is, after all, married to a Jew.
Yes. Quite. Though liking transgressing boundaries and believing you have a right to transgress boundaries even if it causes harm to others are two different things.
No. Only if those boundaries infringe on other people. There are all sorts of boundaries, which might start with culture, but which become self-imposed. A woman wearing pants used to be an un-crossable boundary. Women driving cars, owning businesses, competing in athletics. Some boundaries need to be transgressed in order for a society to progress.
Very True. It occurred to me the other day that if MTFs weren't so consumed with their own desires, they would realize what terrible allies they make to women when they claim womanhood illegitimately. The parallel I keep seeing is how black and brown people treat white 'allies.' No, don't co-opt our spaces or our culture. No, don't demand the 'right' to compete with us in sports. No, don't claim the opportunities designed to help women succeed by turning yourself into an oppressed minority. It is so very arrogantly white male of so very many of them (apologies for the offense to white males here) to take over women's and lesbian's rights.
To whom you are attracted sexually is purely subjective and therefore cannot reasonably be contested by an outside observer.
Where you decide to live your life on a spectrum of superficial, stereotypical male to female attributes (and we all do) is also purely subjective and similarly cannot be questioned.
However, your biological sex reflects an objective reality which cannot be changed by your subjective personal view and futile attempts to do so can result in serious health impacts to you as well as harms to members of the sex you are impersonating (primarily women).
Others who are grounded in objective reality should never be forced to accept your subjective version of your actual biological sex.
Finally, it's past time for the LGB community to separate themselves from the trans activists who are trying to take away the rights of women to fairness in sports and to privacy and safety in their restrooms, locker rooms and prisons. They also advocate for the chemical and surgical mutilation of children many of whom would grow up gay.
Their actions are evil and the
understandable negative reaction to the harm they are causing is spilling over to innocent people who are just going about their business, marrying and leading their lives.
I found Buck’s observation, the eliding of body modification and gender medicine, shocking and insightful. I’ve seen almost nothing in the comments about that. Some people can’t see the forest for the he’s.
But Buck's whole career is as "the man with the pussy". That's not exactly going stealth, is it...
Lia Thomas was so “uncomfortable” undressing with males and yet apparently clueless what she put those female swimmers through when she changed with them.
Is the word….. narcissism?
It is beyond belief.
And then UPenn had the gall to tell those young women that if they had a problem with a male changing with them that THEY were the ones that needed therapy.
When my son (at 15, ASD, gifted) told me he was a girl, I was a card-carrying liberal tribe member & figured I had one of those rare kids with this issue. It took me about 2 weeks to figure out something fishy was going on, but in the meantime I was very interested in the Trans Wellness conference since we live in the Philly burbs - Jazz was talking it up at that time. Holy moley did we dodge a bullet. So many bullets.
Thanks for the insider info 🙏💕
Did your son make it through to the other side of this madness?
Outward signs point to yes. I don’t know about his online life. And I don’t know if I’ll ever stop worrying about it creeping up again.
I think it's interesting that the woman used word safe.
I saw Matt Walsh's new movie Am I a Racist this past weekend. In the opening scene there was a black woman leading a struggle session with a circle of white people. She declared that she wasn't safe in any room with all white people. It was a very big theme. Safe. Matt got up at one point just to tell her she was, in fact, safe there. But I think maybe her physical safety wasn't what they were talking about. Or maybe it was. It's just one of those discussions they shut down before anyone could discuss too much.
I wonder if the trans parents and TRAs and gender confused kids are parroting this. I think they are and have been successful with this tactic for a while. They are trying to make sure they all see themselves as victims so they will be lifted up in our society to the top with liberal white women clearing the path. Families be damned.
Just a thought.
The connection is very strong. Take note how often gender critical individuals are labeled as racist and bigoted.
It’s all so sad, and really hard to know how we are going to get out of this terrible place. Good for you all for going into the belly of the beast and reporting back.
Just one side-note: while I don’t want to make a “thing” out of this, I really did find the language confusing, causing me to have to stop several times to try and grasp who was male and who was female, which seemed particularly important to know in this context. It was, for me, an object lesson in what happens cognitively when what were once ordinary, commonly understood, terms become unmoored from stable meanings.
Bev Jackson, of the LGB Alliance, recently observed the following about how we use language in these situations. I thought it helpful, so I am quoting her here:
“Why did some of us use female pronouns for “transwomen” for several years before switching to “trans-identifying males” and then (in most cases) to “men”?
* For years, anyone who did not use “preferred pronouns” was liable to be permanently banned from this and other platforms. (On some platforms that still applies);
* Some of us believed large swathes of the population (well-meaning, not very well-informed, persuaded by the “be kind” mantra) would simply not listen to what we were saying otherwise.
All that has changed. People are better informed now. We need to avoid confusion and keep to plain speaking. Men are men.”
After viewing comments to that, she then followed up with this:
“I see some people deliberately missing the point. Yes, it was a strategic decision. And yes, strategies change according to context. Unless you don’t care about reaching the majority of well-meaning young people - and I obviously don’t mean the zealots here - who have been told, and who really think, that gender-critical people are hateful. So if I’m talking to young people like that I will avoid third-person pronouns altogether. And in some circumstances I may avoid saying “man” if I notice it stops them listening. My personal view - and you’re free to disagree - is that you can’t achieve social change unless you respond to social contexts.”
I had the same response, but overall I appreciate this evocative reporting from ‘Inside,’ where most of us fear to tread! (Maybe safetyism undermines us too?)
Thanks for attending and writing about this, especially for highlighting going no contact with family who don’t agree. In our case, it was only not using the name early on that did it - all before we could have a talk about it. Too many families to count have been obliterated by the trans cult. It has become a full on cult. My one caution is to not attribute AGP with these young male cohorts because there is much to be studied about this cult and how they are indoctrinated. As much as I’d love to excoriate the TRAs as to the reason they take on this identity, I will only do so for spreading the BS and indoctrinating more vulnerable kids/YA.
You hit the nail on the head describing the "trans" kids going no contact with their families. While I am sure there is nothing that applies to everyone, it seems that most of these privileged, emotionally fragile kids are seizing power (whether they realize this is what they are doing or not). They would be better off keeping their relationship to their families, who love and support them and simply disagree about what it means to be "trans," but they cut off their families to take a stand and also seem like victims.
Indeed, it's very Chinese cultural revolution.
Anything named "Philly something-something" always brings to mind the blue party dresses of AGP Phil Illy. Makes me wonder if he figured that out. I really couldn't get past all the "she" and "her--all the captured language, in this one. Will/Lia Thomas's sexual fetish obsession, the whips and other exotic kink gear pretending to be art on his walls are well documented. Please do a review of Behind the Looking Glass, the first and so far, only documentary about women who unwittingly married men like Will Thomas only to be betrayed doubly, by him and by writers of the world using female pronouns for said husband, implying men suddenly self-cloaked in female persona are also entitled to the word "mother" of the children he's fathered. This is a psychiatric illness, now labeled under the OCD category, by child psychologist Dr. Elliot Kaminetsky. More accurately called Identity-Based Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, this delusion can end, healing can surface within a structure of truth. I personally have no skin in the game regarding the reactions of "true trans world," and while the father of my sons may have a little tantrum about truth bombs emerging now, it isn't his concern to protect the next generation, never was. I do care about the next generations. Those who ideate an opposite sex persona are psychiatrically ill and not getting better from iatrogenic, harmful medicalization. For those who haven't seen the epic documentary profiling 18 courageous women from all over the world, in all age groups:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frffv2sB8zE
I watched it last night and found it very powerful. I was crying pretty hard by the end, but I don’t want that to inhibit anyone’s watching it— I’d just had an emotional few days! The film is beautifully art directed and the narratives are clear-eyed, no drama or hyperbole. I highly recommend the film. (Ute’s in it, and it’s good to see and hear her, finally.)
I'm also at my YouTube channel, Trans Widow Ute Heggen. This is a sensitive reaction to a difficult topic. I regard the entire diagnosis as a "target error" and believe that Identity-Based Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder encompasses most or even all of the symptoms. In looking forward, Jenny, I hope there will be a friend you can help who will be so grateful for your nuanced understanding. I just put up a tribute to my mother, who died at age 100 exactly 5 years ago today. How can anyone consider re-naming mothers as "birthing parent? I'm glad Mom didn't have to witness it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foMsJtQ_gww
THIS: "One big difference between trans women and women: the former don’t seem to realize that being a woman often means sacrificing, and not having control over your body and destiny.
“[Lia] Thomas could have taken a step back, turned at the fork in the road, and started a tranny swim club to access and promote those benefits without putting anyone else out,” my companion noted. “That’s part of what’s wrong about today’s trans activism — trans activists are hell bent on making things harder or worse for society at large, rather than making anyone’s life better.”
It's insane to me that actual women don't see the disconnect in telling women, like the UPenn swim team, that they must allow themselves to be made uncomfortable in order to make the man in the room feel comfortable. That's just nuts.
Agreed. Hey, I know it's become a thing for people to leave the Democratic party over this. But there are an awful lot of us who still believe in democracy, individual rights and the separation of church and state who also recognize the disaster that is the current state of gender ideology.
It's becoming more than this tbh. I'm also unhappy with their blatant antisemitism and downplaying the issues with immigration at current levels. They preach "kindness" but then feel free to attack Jewish citizens in this country for what's happening between Israel and Palestine. Unfortunately, the only thing worse than four more years of this is the prospect of four more years of Trump. That's a nonstarter for me.
It sounds like you are talking about the young radical left, not the Democratic party. Definitely not Kamala Harris. She and Joe Biden have been supportive of Jewish citizens and of Israel to a fault. If you are getting your information from right wing/GOP sources, then it makes sense that you would think that. I am regularly shocked, but not surprised, by the extent of their willingness to lie. If you drill down into what is actually true, you'll see that Harris is not at all antisemitic. She is, after all, married to a Jew.
Or conversely it's interesting how much men like transgressing boundaries.
Yes. Quite. Though liking transgressing boundaries and believing you have a right to transgress boundaries even if it causes harm to others are two different things.
Isn't ignoring harm to others the very essence of transgressing boundaries?
No. Only if those boundaries infringe on other people. There are all sorts of boundaries, which might start with culture, but which become self-imposed. A woman wearing pants used to be an un-crossable boundary. Women driving cars, owning businesses, competing in athletics. Some boundaries need to be transgressed in order for a society to progress.
I'm old enough to remember long hair on men as a BFD, so in that sense, I think you are right.
I was thinking about personal boundaries, which it's clear many MTFs get off on transgressing.
Very True. It occurred to me the other day that if MTFs weren't so consumed with their own desires, they would realize what terrible allies they make to women when they claim womanhood illegitimately. The parallel I keep seeing is how black and brown people treat white 'allies.' No, don't co-opt our spaces or our culture. No, don't demand the 'right' to compete with us in sports. No, don't claim the opportunities designed to help women succeed by turning yourself into an oppressed minority. It is so very arrogantly white male of so very many of them (apologies for the offense to white males here) to take over women's and lesbian's rights.
To whom you are attracted sexually is purely subjective and therefore cannot reasonably be contested by an outside observer.
Where you decide to live your life on a spectrum of superficial, stereotypical male to female attributes (and we all do) is also purely subjective and similarly cannot be questioned.
However, your biological sex reflects an objective reality which cannot be changed by your subjective personal view and futile attempts to do so can result in serious health impacts to you as well as harms to members of the sex you are impersonating (primarily women).
Others who are grounded in objective reality should never be forced to accept your subjective version of your actual biological sex.
Finally, it's past time for the LGB community to separate themselves from the trans activists who are trying to take away the rights of women to fairness in sports and to privacy and safety in their restrooms, locker rooms and prisons. They also advocate for the chemical and surgical mutilation of children many of whom would grow up gay.
Their actions are evil and the
understandable negative reaction to the harm they are causing is spilling over to innocent people who are just going about their business, marrying and leading their lives.
How do you get in to these things, Lisa? Do you register under your own name? Great report, thanks.
The most shocking thing here is that these people still apparently believe and spread the myth of ‘affirmation or suicide’.
Why would Lia Thomas, with a fully male body, be uncomfortable changing in the men's locker room?
And I...am...outta here.
Great overview and insightful. Thanks, Lisa.
Minor copy edit: in “kitten ears and a bushy tale” I assume you meant “tail”? (Or not? Not sure I want to hear a “bushy tale,” though.)
Thank you! I added that sentence in last second before publishing. Appreciate the fix.